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Default Under Enemy Lines: yurugu terrorism in Azania

It wasn't the real me - Nel


Hilda Fourie, Beeld

Mafikeng - "I don't believe I should be punished, because I was not myself when it happened.

"To punish me for something the real me didn't do, is like punishing someone for another person's crime," said Johann Nel, the so-called Skierlik shooter, according to a pre-sentencing report submitted at the Mmabatho High Court on Monday.

Nel pleaded guilty to four charges of murder, 11 of attempted murder and one each for the illegal possession of firearms and ammunition.

Judge Ronald Hendricks found him guilty on these charges.

'I don't think even he knows'

On January 14 this year Nel went to the Skierlik informal settlement outside Swartruggens and started shooting.

Sivuyile Peye, 37, Enoch Tshepo Matshelanoka, 10, Anna Moiphitlhi, 31 and her two-month-old baby Elizabeth Keditlhotse died in the shootings.

Another eight people were wounded and three escaped when Nel shot at them.

Dr Irma Labuschagne, a forensic criminologist, said in her evidence in mitigation of punishment the big question was why he did it.

"I don't think even he knows."

Labuschagne described the incident as a "racist killing spree". One could even call it a hate crime, she said.

Nel went to shoot people of colour. He did not go to a white school and kill white children, she testified.

"I get the impression he didn't really know who he shot or why he had shot those particular people.

"I don't believe he had intended to kill a baby or a child, but he did go there to kill.

"Nobody has the exact answer as to why he did what he did.

"When I ask him 'What got into you?' he tells me he can't remember."

Can't remember much of shooting

According to Labuschagne' s pre-sentencing report Nel said he couldn't remember much of the incident.

And he was uncertain about the parts he could remember.

"Sometimes I don't know what I remember and what I've heard from others and what I've read in the papers," he said according to the report.

Labuschagne testified that Nel, his brother Heinrich, 23, and a friend had discussed what they could do to resolve the problem of farm attacks and farm murders, which confronted them daily.

She said the seed of the events that played out on January 14 was planted in Nel's head long before.

But Nel's planning was poor, Labuschagne said. He did not lock the doors of his parents' farmhouse outside Swartruggens when he left, failed to cover his face and did not remember to take any drinking water along.

She said it would have been much more catastrophic if he had indeed planned it in more detail.

The case continues.

- Beeld

http://www.news24. Com/News24/ South_Africa/ News/0,,2- 7-1442_2359469, 00.html

'Angry white youths dangerous'


Johannesburg - Many Afrikaner youths are angry and hold rigid views about black people, Professor Jonathan Jansen said on Thursday.

Jansen, delivering the 5th Annual Bishop Hans Brenninkmeijer memorial lecture in Johannesburg, said these Afrikaner youths had had no direct experience of apartheid and were born around the time of former state president Nelson Mandela's release from prison.

"They (Afrikaner youths) carry within them the seed of bitter knowledge that left unchallenged can easily germinate into the most vile and vicious racial attack."

He cited the Waterkloof Four, the Reitz residence "initiation" video, and the Skierlik killings as examples.

"The Afrikaner youths' troubled knowledge was transmitted through the family, the church, the schools, cultural associations and peer groups," he said.

Supported white domination

These agencies transmitted "dangerous" messages in all white circles despite spectacular changes in the formal institutions of democracy.

Jansen said the Afrikaner youths' beliefs and behaviours mirrored those of their parents - "who upheld, supported and benefited from white domination in the decades before they were born".

The threat of social collapse around white people resulted in them reinforcing racial exclusivity (we belong to ourselves); racial supremacy (we are better than black people) and racial victimisation (we are being targeted by black people), said Jansen.

"In the belief system of white youth, these social events are interpreted through a singular lens: black incompetence, black greed, black barbarism and black retaliation, " said Jansen.

In a bid to understand their "anger" Jansen said he lived inside the lives of white Afrikaners. His findings were that it was hard to change their views of other people.

However, he said for transformation to be successful, South Africans on both sides (blacks and white) had to be prepared to make a move towards each other.

'Represent red flags'

He said white people had to move out of their "comfort zones" and embrace not tolerate, their fellow human beings if they wanted to "make it" in the new South Africa.

"But white fathers loomed large as racial gatekeepers in their homes. We must get together and figure it out for the sake our country and the future," said Jansen.

In his lecture, Jansen highlighted that many white South Africans felt that the recent xenophobic attacks, and the escalation in fuel and food prices, and interests rates, were a "black problem".

"In other words, the weight of public discourse suggests a white man's burden," said Jansen.

On the "shaky democracy", Jansen blamed the ANC Youth League "thugs" for their "kill for Zuma" talk.

"The precipitous state of public institutions - the Human Rights Commission, the Presidency, the SABC and the Judiciary - represent the red flags of our fragile democracy," he said.
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Killed some people and then can't remember that ya killed some people eh? Can't punish ya since ya don't remember because that would be like punishing you for something someone else did eh?

Fine.

Dictionary.com defines an accessory in legal terms as:

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Also called accessory before the fact. A person who, though not present during the commission of a felony, is guilty of having aided and abetted another, who committed the felony.

So, since he doesn't remember and that's equivalent, to him, to not being there and not really doing it, just charge him as an accessory since he transported the guy there who did, gave the guy the gun and helped him pull the trigger. Let it be known that the punishment is death.

If he doesn't like that then tell him hook us up with an interview with the guy that did it because he's the only one that can confirm that the "other guy" was not, in fact, an accessory and when he shows up, put a bullet in his head.

Problem solved.
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Killed some people and then can't remember that ya killed some people eh? Can't punish ya since ya don't remember because that would be like punishing you for something someone else did eh?

Fine.

Dictionary.com defines an accessory in legal terms as:

Law:

Also called accessory before the fact. A person who, though not present during the commission of a felony, is guilty of having aided and abetted another, who committed the felony.

So, since he doesn't remember and that's equivalent, to him, to not being there and not really doing it, just charge him as an accessory since he transported the guy there who did, gave the guy the gun and helped him pull the trigger. Let it be known that the punishment is death.

If he doesn't like that then tell him hook us up with an interview with the guy that did it because he's the only one that can confirm that the "other guy" was not, in fact, an accessory and when he shows up, put a bullet in his head.

Problem solved.
Good thinking. And after lodging the bullet in his head, the executioners of justice can conveniently forget that they did or even why they did...

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