Is it possible to be Pro Black and not be Anti White?

[Ɔkyeame Kwame]

If a murderer enters your house intent on killing you and your family and kills several members of your family,

to be pro-your family

if you are intelligent,

you will be anti-murderer

in very concrete tangible ways.

If a murderer enters your continent,

and kills several hundred million of your family members

you pontificate and ponder

whether or not this strand of hair of the murderer or that toenail of the murderer should be judged differently

as the knife slices the throats of hundreds of millions more.

you ponder...

Are you smart?

You would be if you turned off the t.v.

Stopped watching the movies...

and listened

very closely...

to the faint cry of the blood of your family members...

calling for justice...

and a rebalancing of the cosmos

and a restoration of DIVINE ORDER.

but this will be nearly impossible

if that murderer is your teacher

of language

of religion

of gender orientation

of worldview

Then you will not only NOT be anti-murderer.

You will abstractly ponder

and criticize and hope to stop those bright members of your family

who would prevent the murderous teacher's dreadful designs.

Luckily some of us have other teachers...

who teach us that you don't bargain with the murderer...

You bargain with the undertaker...

about how much she or he will charge you

to remove the murderer's body.

[Ɔkyeame Kwame]

Any concept of Ma’at that has an Afrikan believing in a RECIPROCITY in which he or she

is solely on the receiving end of it, while not giving, whether that entails giving back that

which is pleasant or not pleasant

Ohun t’eni ba gbin ohun naa ni yoo ka – what someone plants is what that person will pluck

Any concept of Ma’at that has an Afrikan believing that the he or she is not an agent of

the execution of JUSTICE...

Any concept of Ma’at that seeks to turn a blind eye to the indiscriminate genocide of

Afrikans in the Congo by the belgians

The indiscriminate genocide of the Herero by the germans

The indiscriminate genocide of the Black Tasmanians by the british

The indiscriminate genocide of the Black Dravidians by the indo-aryans,

The indiscriminate genocide of the Taino and Arawak,

The indiscriminate genocide of every group of people that europeans came into contact

with...(I would go on but this website has restrictions on the Gigabytes of information it is

allotted)

That concept of Ma’at should be hurled into the dustbin of history...

For that is not Ma’at,

That is some white greek spin-off masquerading as the original while standing in front of

court-houses that re-enslave millions of Afrikans daily through the prison industrial

complex.

That is some christian angel of death and harbinger of Afrikan destruction that would only

have one pursue JUSTICE and RECIPROCITY if it entails the continued processual

annihilation of one’s own people.

While turning the other cheek as your eternal enemy continues the millenia-long covert

and overt genocide program against one’s Global Afrikan Family.

That is not Ma’at,

That is some krakkka Ma’at impersonator. One first met on the plantation who had us

believe that executing JUSTICE against one’s tormentor is morally wrong because then

you’ll be like him...just wait for judgment day and a big slice of pie in the sky...in the by

and by...

That is a Ma’at impersonator,

One who told you that if you had enough sense to pursue JUSTICE and RECIPROCITY,

you would be like and replace the european...

If the Black Tasmanians had the where-with-all to pursue RECIPROCITY and JUSTICE

against the british who landed on their shores, would they have replaced the europeans?

They did not replace the europeans and rather, the europeans who acted indiscriminately

certainly replaced them.

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/tasmania.html
If the Hereros had the ability to pursue RECIPROCITY and JUSTICE against the

germans who landed on their shores, would they have replaced the europeans?

They did not and the germans who acted indiscriminately certainly replaced the Herero.

If the unknown millions of Our flesh and blood Ancestors, had the ability to pursue

RECIPROCITY and JUSTICE against the europeans would they have replaced the

european? I can only wish that they would have replaced the european as opposed to the

european replacing them physically on their land, replacing their culture, mores, folkways,

languages, kwk.

However the Ma’at impersonator tells us that JUSTICE should be replaced with a

vengeance that only evokes its wrath on another brother who steps on one’s shoes. That

is not Ma’at but a mere white greek imitation in Blackface.

Any “spiritual” component that tells one that to be “moral” or “spiritual” one must assent to

being a victim of mass genocide is most likely a “moral” and “spiritual” component given

by your enemy despite efforts to dress it in Kemetic attire or Kente cloth.

Any “spiritual” component that tells one that to be “moral” and “spiritual” is to consign

one’s own progeny to continued genocide while without pursuing in concrete terms the

WILL and ABILITY to stop it, is most likely a spirituality and morality of one’s murderous

enemy, and one given with the intent to keep one a perpetual victim of genocide.

Resignation to that fate is an IMmoral morality.

However, once one throws that krakkka Ma’at impersonator into the incinerator of history,

only then will one begin to conceptualize solutions to this ongoing genocide. Solutions

militarily, chemically, biologically, psychologically, philosophically, spiritually, morally

kwk.

Until that time, the genocide of one’s own people will continue indiscriminately while one

pretends to be attempting to discern a french poodle from an english setter from a

german shepherd from a spanish chihuahua.

Such a person will feign looking for a spiritual high ground while millions of one’s family

members are killed unimpeded and millions of one’s Afrikan family are reenslaved in

front of one’s very eyes.

If the Black Tasmanians while being exterminated had some type of mastery of

spirituality or morality, it was short-lived and they did not get a chance to enjoy it for long.

The difference between a Black Tasmanian and a duped Afrikan, is that the Black

Tasmanians simply did not have the ability to pursue RECIPROCITY and JUSTICE

before being wiped off of the face of the planet.

Duped Afrikans, however, simply don’t have the SENSE to discern between Ma’at and

her would-be impersonators and further, lack the WILL to pursue the ABILITY to be an

organic part of a restoration of JUSTICE and RECIPROCITY to bring about a

re-BALANCING of divine ORDER to the world in the interest of

bringing back HARMONY, RIGHTEOUSNESS and PROPRIETY. How could they have

that will when their enemy is their teacher of morality.

Afrikans with sense, however, know that we are not separate and apart from some

distant JUSTICE that will supposedly happen on judgment day. We will be a part of the

execution of said justice. For we know that: Eni to n se rere, k'o mura si rere, Sikasika

k'o mura sika re...atoore atika, okan kii gbe.

A person who does good, let him/her prepare for good, Do-wicked-do-wicked should

prepare for his/her wickedness...Goodness and wickedness, neither goes

unrecompensed. (Yoruba, from the ese Ifa)


JUSTICE is not wickedness, although the evil-doer may curse the judge.


Eni deeru l'eeru n to.

It is the one who throws ashes that the ashes follow. (Yoruba)

The ashes will follow the europeans in due time and Afrikans with sense will be a part of

that gust of wind, whether militarily, biologically, chemically kwk. This will not mean that

Afrikans will have replaced the europeans...but it certainly does mean that europeans will

not replace us as they have replaced so many other of the world’s now extinct

populations whose names we know and those whose names we will never know.

I think that while we carry on this discussion as to who should be the

recipient of justice at Afrikan hands, indiscriminate depopulation and

genocide are going on right before our eyes. SA's Biochemical warfare program

The files for this program were transferred to the u.s.a. Before whites "lost power"

I am also sincere in all of my comments and questions and I hope that at

some point we, as a people, will be willing to move past these discussions

to actually doing things to prevent the annihilation of our descendants so that

our entire race does not go the way of the Black Tasmanian.

Obadele Kambon
Abibitumi Kasa Afrikan Language Institute
Abibitumi Kasa Afrikan Liberation Institute

[georgia]

Brother, you got a point. And really i'm in search of the best ways that i can be of service to this understanding. I am currently reading mmara ne kyi at this very moment and many questions are being cleared up for me!

i can step back and witness how many of our gifted realizers have been co-opted by Dr. Feelgood, while our PLANET keeps having to sustain the terror caused by the well-aware colonists that "seek first the kingdom" on a continual basis. If only we took seeking first the kingdom LITERALLY there would be more examples of sucessful revolt!
'cause they sho nuff do.

The spiritual torment that it introduces into our mind is not only life threatening - even after "death" it enables a spirit to wander without resolution...an undeserved end for such beautiful, righteous, and innocent people!

Jerejeff lool- sister Kala and yourself have really been supportive in helping me to further refine my thought process in regards to this issue!

our family will be breaking free from america this month for good- I will be giving birth in AFRIKA! So right now that is my immediate contribution to the continent!

we will be keeping in touch - we seek to build with you guys for real.

Uhuru na Haki
georgia

[olufemi_baina_ayo]

No,because all you have to do is look at our history,and see why we are anti-white. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to look at our past and see the hell we endured then,and what we go through in the present. Look at the Sankofa,and remember why we must never forget!

Originally Posted by Akyeame Kwame

If a murderer enters your house intent on killing you and your family and kills several members of your family,

to be pro-your family

if you are intelligent,

you will be anti-murderer

in very concrete tangible ways.

If a murderer enters your continent,

and kills several hundred million of your family members

you pontificate and ponder

whether or not this strand of hair of the murderer or that toenail of the murderer should be judged differently

as the knife slices the throats of hundreds of millions more.

you ponder...

Are you smart?

You would be if you turned off the t.v.

Stopped watching the movies...

and listened

very closely...

to the faint cry of the blood of your family members...

calling for justice...

and a rebalancing of the cosmos

and a restoration of DIVINE ORDER.

but this will be nearly impossible

if that murderer is your teacher

of language

of religion

of gender orientation

of worldview

Then you will not only NOT be anti-murderer.

You will abstractly ponder

and criticize and hope to stop those bright members of your family

who would prevent the murderous teacher's dreadful designs.

Luckily some of us have other teachers...

who teach us that you don't bargain with the murderer...

You bargain with the undertaker...

about how much she or he will charge you

to remove the murderer's body.

[imhotep1906]

I think you can be "pro-black" and NOT be anti-white. White isn't the problem. Being White in of itself poses no problem. It's a mindset, a cosmology that has been allowed to fester unchecked for thousands of years which is the enemy.

I am far more than aware of Europe's role in the accelertion of the possible death of the Earth and the inhabitants within. But if we think for a second this method of being started with "WHites," then we have a lot of reading to do. Their existence is an expansion of a mindset that started on the continent. If you don't believe it, then one need only to talk to the oral historians about our earliest societies.

Ta-Merry came about through war and conquering. Read the records. Ta-Meri was the result of invaders, Heru Kings, from Ethiopia. Conquering, pillaging, forcing people to adopt a system alien to themselves is an African invention. Europeans perfected it.

So while we are justified in blaming whity for a lot of our ills, remember the spirit world could care less about our human divisions of life. All it recognizes is energy. So the energy we put out, is the energy that returns. Our mission is to put in check those who disrupt the balance of nature. The old methods of hoping others will get it, that we can use spirituality to ward off these evils are no more.

Whites didn't use spirituality to enslave us; it will take more than spirituality to put them on their ass.

[pain]

Originally Posted by imhotep1906

I think you can be "pro-black" and NOT be anti-white. White isn't the problem. Being White in of itself poses no problem. It's a mindset, a cosmology that has been allowed to fester unchecked for thousands of years which is the enemy.


I am far more than aware of Europe's role in the accelertion of the possible death of the Earth and the inhabitants within. But if we think for a second this method of being started with "WHites," then we have a lot of reading to do. Their existence is an expansion of a mindset that started on the continent. If you don't believe it, then one need only to talk to the oral historians about our earliest societies.

Ta-Merry came about through war and conquering. Read the records. Ta-Meri was the result of invaders, Heru Kings, from Ethiopia. Conquering, pillaging, forcing people to adopt a system alien to themselves is an African invention. Europeans perfected it.

So while we are justified in blaming whity for a lot of our ills, remember the spirit world could care less about our human divisions of life. All it recognizes is energy. So the energy we put out, is the energy that returns. Our mission is to put in check those who disrupt the balance of nature. The old methods of hoping others will get it, that we can use spirituality to ward off these evils are no more.

Whites didn't use spirituality to enslave us; it will take more than spirituality to put them on their ass.

I think you've missed the point here. It is a matter of mindset/ social construction that you can even proclaim that "Being White in of itself poses no problem". They're not white! Never have been and never will be. The only time they ever play that game is when they come into contact with us. Otherwise, when they are among just themselves they don't refer to themselves as "white". They refer to themselves and each other as their ethnicity dictates. Therefore, when we speak of being anti-white, obviously we speak of the mindset and the actualized behavior stemming from it.

Also, to say that people who classify themselves as white are merely advancing a concept that we created is outrageous and the least you could do is provide some evidence. We know of the destruction these people have waged the world over. We know of the people they have exterminated completely from off the face of the earth throughout Asia, Australia, the islands of the Pacific, Europe, North America, Central America, South America and the Caribbean. Untold hundreds of millions of people completely wiped out. We bear witness to the fact that whereever they go on their path of destruction, they either render extinct or endangered plant life, animal life, mineral life, human life and so on. Wherever they go they create systems that destroy land, air and water. No one here proposes that we lived in a state where there was no war, no murder, no theft; that we didn't cut down any trees, kill any animals or any such extreme. That would be asinine and I'm thinking you know the pertinent differences between, for instance, war and warmongering. However, if you're going to say that what we were doing equals out to the same thing, simply on a more concentrated level, then again please provide the evidence to show that the many different ethnicities/ nations of Afrikan people worldwide prior to exposure to yt were behaving within their respective boundaries just like yt.

And with respect to your final point; the old methods worked Blacknificently for thousands of years for us. The new ones are the ones that are not working for us. No Afrikan went to war with simply a prayer. We utilized not only the knowledge we gained in warfare and strategy through our spiritual systems and from there innovating and building upon it but our spiritual culture also served as a galvanizing force. They were never able to defeat us permanently by mere use of military might. It is only with the abandonment, whether by force or not, of our spiritual culture do we then experience ultimate defeat. Military and psycho-spiritual violence is then used to maintain the defeat.

[imhotep1906]

Kiambote

I'm sorry brother Pain, but I think you are mistaken. You have a romanticized concept of African history. While some of us had societies of peace, others did not. You can't name ONE African major empire that is NOT the result of war and pillage. Name just ONE.

The first major one we have on record is Egypt itself. Read John G. Jacksons Introduction to African Civilizations. Then if you want to see this mentality on a smaller scale, read V. Credo Mutwa's Indaba My Children. Any elementary student of African Studies is familiar with the kingdoms of Mali, Songhai, Ghana and the Zulu empire. NONE of these were brought about through peaceful means. All are a result of war. The information is volumous.

If you still have a romanticized concept of indegenous life, read Dr. Malidoma Some's Healing Wisdom of Africa. He will tell you NOT to have a romanticized vision of indegenous life. Just because it's indegenous doesn't mean all the inhabitants act in the best interests of the community.

As I said, this conquering, pillaging mentality started in Africa. THe Europeans scaled it to numbers astronomical.

Whether they in Europe call themselves white or not is irrelevant. The title of the thread is "Is it possible to be Pro Black and no be Anti White?" So I am discussing it using the vocabulary and spirit of the thread.

I think you have a lot of reading to do. Africans have destroyed animal life and contributed heavily to the deforestation of Africa. The later as a result of thousands of years iron smelting which needs charcoal for the hearths. Charcoal is made from wood and we've been doing this for thousands of years now in Africa.

While our history has more good than bad, do not neglect our faults as we are humans as well. If we were all of that, we wouldn't have been enslaved in the first place. Our "culture" would have prevented some of us from participating in it.

Originally Posted by pain

I think you've missed the point here. It is a matter of mindset/ social construction that you can even proclaim that "Being White in of itself poses no problem". They're not white! Never have been and never will be. The only time they ever play that game is when they come into contact with us. Otherwise, when they are among just themselves they don't refer to themselves as "white". They refer to themselves and each other as their ethnicity dictates. Therefore, when we speak of being anti-white, obviously we speak of the mindset and the actualized behavior stemming from it.

Also, to say that people who classify themselves as white are merely advancing a concept that we created is outrageous and the least you could do is provide some evidence. We know of the destruction these people have waged the world over. We know of the people they have exterminated completely from off the face of the earth throughout Asia, Australia, the islands of the Pacific, Europe, North America, Central America, South America and the Caribbean. Untold hundreds of millions of people completely wiped out. We bear witness to the fact that whereever they go on their path of destruction, they either render extinct or endangered plant life, animal life, mineral life, human life and so on. Wherever they go they create systems that destroy land, air and water. No one here proposes that we lived in a state where there was no war, no murder, no theft; that we didn't cut down any trees, kill any animals or any such extreme. That would be asinine and I'm thinking you know the pertinent differences between, for instance, war and warmongering. However, if you're going to say that what we were doing equals out to the same thing, simply on a more concentrated level, then again please provide the evidence to show that the many different ethnicities/ nations of Afrikan people worldwide prior to exposure to yt were behaving within their respective boundaries just like yt.

And with respect to your final point; the old methods worked Blacknificently for thousands of years for us. The new ones are the ones that are not working for us. No Afrikan went to war with simply a prayer. We utilized not only the knowledge we gained in warfare and strategy through our spiritual systems and from there innovating and building upon it but our spiritual culture also served as a galvanizing force. They were never able to defeat us permanently by mere use of military might. It is only with the abandonment, whether by force or not, of our spiritual culture do we then experience ultimate defeat. Military and psycho-spiritual violence is then used to maintain the defeat.