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Old 06-18-2008, 02:52 AM
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Points back to its original birthplace -- Ethiopia which came before Egypt. Hmm. That means Christianity has no 'legitimate' claim on this word though it is morphed all over the biblical text as though it came with the content naturally.

The Origin of the Word Amen: Ancient Knowledge the Bible Has Never Told by scholar, Salim Faraji

"The word (amen) pre-dates ancient Egypt," says history professor, Jahi Issa. "It means the unseen principles of God."
http://www.kentucky.com/158/story/246204. Html

Dr Anthony Browder further confirms that the word was richly entrenched in the Egyptian way of thought, acton and life.

--Before there was Hebrew, Greek, Latin or Christianity for that matter there was Afrika. Our ancestors personified a GOD figure and prayed to a GOD head long before Hebrew, Greek or Christiany were on the religious map.

Know that when you say the word you are invoking the Egyptian Sun-Deity Amen-Ra at the end of your prayers and/or declarational, confirmational or convictional statements! And also, know that the source is even older than that!

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Scholar traces origins of 'Amen'
He says word is of African, not Hebrew, origin
By Robert Kelly-Goss
COX NEWS SERVICE
ELIZABETH CITY, N.C. --
"Thank you, God. Amen."
Scholar traces origins of 'Amen' - Faith & Values - Kentucky.com

That phrase, and the last word more specifically, is very familiar to millions of English-speaking Christians, Jews and Muslims worldwide. Prayers of these three major monotheistic religions are typically closed with the word, "amen."

For many the word amen means, "so be it," or "it is so." In the Western world of religion the credit for the word is given to the Hebrew texts of the Old Testament, or Jewish Torah. Christians adopted the word, as well as the Muslims.

But the origin of the word is under contention. It does not, says one Elizabeth City State University professor, trace its roots back to the Hebrew people; rather, the word can be traced to pre-dynastic Egypt, in the region of Africa known as the Sudan, to be more specific.

"The word (amen) pre-dates ancient Egypt," says history professor, Jahi Issa. "It means the unseen principles of God."

Issa is co-author with another scholar, Salim Faraji, of the book The Origin of the Word Amen: Ancient Knowledge the Bible Has Never Told, and it suggests far more than a simple origin of one of the most uttered words in the world.

Issa started the journey toward his discovery when he began making trips to Africa, 26 in all so far. He would travel back and forth between Ghana and Egypt.

Through his travels and studies, Issa says, he began to notice similarities between ancient Egyptian culture and contemporary Ghana. That observation led him to academic books on divine kingship and ancient cultures, including one from an Oxford University professor who pointed him to the Akan people of Ghana and a 1999 article in The New York Times.

The article, Issa says, reported on the DNA connection between the Lemda [e.g the correct spelling is Lemba, Fine's insert] people of southern Africa and the early Hebrew people. Through that article and other academic research, Issa came up with several realizations.

One was that the origins of early biblical figures such as the Hebrews were most likely African, not Palestinian Arabs. Two, the word amen is derived from a pre-dynastic Egyptian culture found in the Sudan.

In essence, Issa is making the claim that there was an ancient kingship similar to Egypt that gave birth to the dynastic pharaohs of the Nile region who happen to be from the Sudan. Those people not only influenced the Egyptian dynasties, but they also migrated northwest to what is now Ghana and their culture can be seen in West Africa to this day.

But what does that have to do with the word amen? Well, Issa suggests that the word amen has its roots in the ancient name for the pharaoh, Amen, or in some cases spelled Amun.

In his book he points out that the word amen can be found in much of ancient Africa's culture and that it predates the Hebrew people. OK, but what does the book and its claims mean to contemporary society?

"The significance of the book is that historically when it comes to religion, because of Europe's 500-year dominance of the world, people have been misled to think the people of the Bible were European, and they were not. They were people of color," says Issa.

In other words, if the origin of the word amen is ancient Sudanese and that means that the world's three major monotheistic religions owe its beginnings to that region, not what we know as the Middle East, it would also suggest that, as Issa puts it, "Jesus was a black man with kinky hair."

For many contemporary scholars, the idea that Jesus was likely akin to contemporary Palestinian people is not far-fetched. But few have gone so far as to maintain that Jesus had the same physical traits as a man from, say, Ghana.

Issa, along with other scholars, is firm in his belief and is certain that even the origins of humankind, according to the Bible, can be found in Africa. Eden, Issa says, is in Ethiopia, and the Book of Genesis says as much.

For Issa, it's a significant step toward bringing people together to convince them that, yes, the world owes much of its cultural and religious origins to Africa.

He hopes one day all churches will depict Jesus as a black man and, similarly, he hopes that acceptance will work toward bringing people together, and not asunder, because of the color of one's skin.

Issa is certain that there are many scholars and people in the general public that would give him an "amen" on that point.
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All I can say is WOW.. You know how you always have this feeling that there is more to what you are doing than you know. The questions, the reasons for the feelings of what is wrong with this picture. This article may bring questions but wow....what questions.

It feels really good to finally here people say out loud that Jesus had to have been Black from Afrikan origin not middle east... Like they want it to read....

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I appreciate the context of this article, for it expounds on a number areas of research and information that is not commonly addressed.
I could not connect to the link posted in reference to professor Issa's article. Is their another source to be able to link up with that article or book written.

The validity of Amen(Ra) and atrributes are well documented in many other writings. To compliment this post and the legitimacy beyond that of Greek, Hebrew, Latin & Christian sources;
The Black Man of the Nile - by Dr. Yosef ben-Jochannan, references that the first God on record - Ra(Amen), the God of the religion of the indigenous Africans of Ta-Merry (Egypt) formed the basis of many of the Judeo - Christian and Islamic teachings.
In the Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization - by Anthony T Browder, references to the civilizations of Nubia and Kemet emerging about the same time and shows the significance and contributions of these civilizations as they Peopled Kemet and Egypt; as well as the corelation of Nubia as the lifeline of Ancient Kemet, and the source of its language, philosophy and religion. It also makes claims that from the begining of time Africans have always had abelief in one god, self-created and all powerful. Attempts to portray African religion as polytheistic, anthropomorphic, or idolatrous are as repungnant as those who seek to condemn it. References to Jesus the Christ as "the lamb" is just as anthrpomorphic as Amon's association with a ram... Also, The people of the Nile Valley were the first human beings to express a profound belief in a doctrine of everlasting life;
See also, The Book of the Dead - by Wallace Budge, which documents the Origins of Amen(Ra), and the faith and practice in God, and the rebirth or resurection of the soul of the deceased, a concept that first existed in the Nile Valley.

Quote: For many the word amen means, "so be it," or "it is so." In the Western world of religion the credit for the word is given to the Hebrew texts of the Old Testament, or Jewish Torah. Christians adopted the word, as well as the Muslims.
The definition and relevance of the word amen is more than just that and is not unique or orginated from a Western Civilized thought. One must be aware of the influences that African religious thought played in the develepoment of our present day teachings.

Study to show thyself Approved unto God, a workman that needed not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of TRUTH.

And even in another tongue I say Ase, (so it shall be).

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A little below the middle of the page in the link above are free audio downloads explaining, among other things, the true origin of judaism, christianity, islam as well as the foreign fabricated characters involved therein.

Amen is also an obosom that is still recognized among the Akan. Amen governs Saturday (Memeneda) and is known as the most ancient one. It's from the name Amen that males born on that day of the week get the name Kwame/ Kwamena and females born on that day get the name Amma.
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Bear witness to his choice, children, and give thanks to your Gods. And then pray for their mercy.

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