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      Ntangu-Tandu-Kolo: The Bantu-Kongo Concept of Time
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      @Obadele Kambon...I remember Kwasi and I attended a lecture by Dr. Fu-Kiau many years ago on this same subject.
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      @Yaw Asare Aboagye, sounds like it was a BlackPowerful talk. Have you heard anything about Ngânga Fu-Kiâu's health recently? I contributed to a fund to send him to Kôngo months ago but I never heard an update other than he was gravely ill at the time.
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      Dabi. I did not know he was sick until you mentioned it a while back. I have not heard a thing on his condition. You were my only source on him in that regard. Until your news I thought he was still in Boston. Perhaps @Kwasi knows something, I will ask him.

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      @Yaw Asare Aboagye, sounds like it was a BlackPowerful talk. Have you heard anything about Ngânga Fu-Kiâu's health recently? I contributed to a fund to send him to Kôngo months ago but I never heard an update other than he was gravely ill at the time.
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      Meda ase Obadele for the Baba Fu-Kiau reference... How do you say "Living Sun" in KiKongo?

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      Meda ase Obadele for the Baba Fu-Kiau reference... How do you say "Living Sun" in KiKongo?
      Yènge kiâku Khafrahotep !

      First of all I noticed that Ngânga Fu-Kiau sometimes writes Living Sun with quotation marks which may be a sign that it's the best way to describe what the Mûntu concept means in english but still has its limits.

      In Self-Healing Power and Therapy, he writes “The musoni sun (lit. “the yellow sun”)” as well as “the tukula sun (the red sun)” (both p.65) so maybe we can say Ntangu yakala or Ntangu ndombe to express the idea of Black Sun. I'll look into that as well b/c that Black Sun concept you mentioned is powerful! Especially when you take into account that Black is Life in the Dikenga.

      And regarding a Kongo name, in Part I, chapter 1 of SHPT you have “The Naming Process” (p.10) with valuable info. The whole Part I is about conceptualization of the Mûntu.
      In this: http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/showthread.php/33631-African-Cosmology-of-the-Bantu-Kongo you have good info and Kikôngo words to define the Mûntu also.(p.70-71)

      These are good blocks to start building in my opinion. Let's build!

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      Mbènzi vo living sun i "ntângu ya môyo" evo "ntângu a môyo."
      Last edited by Obadele Kambon; 05-11-2017 at 12:00 PM.
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