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The Counted                   Moving Targets                      US police have fatally shot 30 people in moving vehicles this year,  despite federal guidelines advising them not to. Why have police  departments pulled the trigger on drivers rather than reform?

Jon Swaine,  Jamiles Lartey and  Oliver Laughland Illustration by Simon Prades

   Tuesday 1 September 2015 09.42 EDT   Last modified on Tuesday 1 September 2015 19.32 EDT

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Tommy Maness had no choice but to shoot, they said.
   Called to tackle a supposed late-night fight at a roadside diner in  Alexander City, Alabama, the 34-year-old police corporal saw Emerson  Crayton Jr, a young black man, hurry into his Ford SUV in the  restaurant's parking lot and start the engine.

Maness knocked on the driver's window and told Crayton to get out.  But Crayton, 21, reversed out of his space. Then he turned his wheels  toward Maness, police chief Willie Robinson alleged, and "tried to run  over the officer". Maness "could not get out of the way of the vehicle",  so instead he fired his Glock pistol into it at least three times.  Crayton, who was unarmed, died from a shot to the head.

According to an Alabama state bureau of investigations file on the  shooting obtained by the Guardian, however, things unfolded differently.

The Counted: people killed by police in the United States in 2015 – interactive
                                 
                                         The Guardian is counting the people killed by US law  enforcement agencies this year. Read their stories and contribute to our  ongoing, crowdsourced project

Maness acknowledged to investigators that, in fact, he "sidestepped the truck" (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2303841-abi-crayton-report2.html) as he shot. A recording from his body camera (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/sep/01/emerson-crayton-jr-full-police-bodycam-video)  showed that despite the SUV continuing to move forward after the driver  was shot, Maness was not struck. Actually, the vehicle swung sharply  away from him as it brushed by and headed to the highway.

"It's a straight cover-up," Crayton's father, Emerson Sr, said at his  home in nearby Dadeville. "Fact is, the officer did get out the way."  Asked about the video footage in an interview in his office, Robinson  repeated: "People see what they want to see."

Emerson Jr did not have a criminal record, according to his family's  attorneys. He did have a daughter, Germani, who is now three years old.  "He didn't need to die," said his father.
 Emerson Crayton Jr: an officer 'could not get out of the way'?

When  Corporal Tommy Maness knocks on Emerson Crayton Jr's window and tells  him to get out, Crayton instead reverses and appears to try to drive  away. The officer shoots at least three times; he said Crayton is seen  deliberately trying to run him over.

Attorneys for Crayton's  family say this body camera footage, filmed outside a Huddle House  restaurant on 7 March 2014, shows the car drive past Maness – and that  the officer is ultimately not in harm's way.
 Source: Alabama State Bureau of Investigations

The US Department of Justice, prominent international policing  experts and most major police departments across the US agree: police  officers should not fire their guns into moving cars. The shots are  widely viewed as ineffective for stopping oncoming vehicles, and the  risks to innocent parties are seen as overwhelming.

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  Emerson Crayton Jr. Photograph: Courtesy of the Clayton family  
But a Guardian investigation has found US police have carried out at  least 30 fatal shootings into moving vehicles they claimed were being  used as weapons so far in 2015. More than a quarter of those killed were  black men, a group that according to the US Census Bureau makes up just  6% of the driving-age American population.

In all cases, officers said the vehicle posed a threat either to  their own lives, to those of police colleagues, or to bystanders. In  almost all incidents, however, their decisions to shoot appeared to run  counter to federal guidance instructing officers to open fire only if a  driver presents a separate deadly threat, such as a gun. None of those  killed were accused of pointing firearms at police, and in only three  cases did police appear to be aware of a gun being inside the vehicle.

Like thounited snakesnds of other law enforcement agencies around the US that  have declined to reform their internal policies in line with DoJ  standards, Alexander City has a rulebook (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2322892-alex-city.html)  that says officers may fire into moving vehicles "as the ultimate  measure of self-defence" when "the suspect is using deadly force".  Implicit is that the vehicle itself may be considered the deadly weapon.

Rulebooks obtained by the Guardian from 20 of the departments whose  officers have fired deadly shots into moving vehicles in 2015 showed  that a majority had similarly lax rules. Even departments with  ostensibly more restrictive policies consistently provided a caveat  ultimately privileging the officer's judgment call.

The drivers and passengers         Thirty fatal shootings by police who claimed these people were in vehicles used as weapons
                                                     Jan 8
                                         Loren Simpson                                            MT
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#loren-simpson-21)
                                    Jan 14
                                         Michael Goebel                                            MO
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#michael-goebel-33)
                                    Jan 15
                                         Dewayne Carr                                            AZ
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#dewayne-carr-43)
                                    Jan 27
                                         Nicolas Tewa                                            AZ
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#nicolas-tewa-75)
                                    Feb 13
                                         Jonathan Harden                                            CA
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#jonathan-harden-124)
                                    Mar 11
                                         Aaron Valdez                                            CA
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#aaron-valdez-205)
                                    Mar 11
                                         Terry Garnett Jr                                            MD
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#terry-garnett-jr-208)
                                    Mar 17
                                         Alice Brown                                            CA
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#alice-brown-229)
                                    Mar 24
                                         Nicholas Thomas                                            GA
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#nicholas-thomas-257)
                                    Mar 29
                                         Robert Rooker                                            OH
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#robert-rooker-274)
                                    Mar 30
                                         Mya Hall                                            MD
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#mya-hall-276)
                                    Apr 8
                                         Dexter Bethea                                            GA
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#dexter-bethea-306)
                                    Apr 8
                                         Mark Smith                                            OK
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#mark-smith-307)
                                    Apr 21
                                         Daniel Wolfe                                            NJ
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#daniel-wolfe-341)
                                    Apr 23
                                         Karen Janks                                            CA
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#karen-janks-352)
                                    May 7
                                         Nephi Arriguin                                            CA
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#nephi-arriguin-388)
                                    May 11
                                         Kelvin Goldston                                            TX
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#kelvin-goldston-399)
                                    Jun 5
                                         Christie Cathers                                            WV
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#christie-cathers-485)
                                    Jun 14
                                         Kenneth Garcia                                            CA
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#kenneth-garcia-513)
                                    Jul 6
                                         John Berry                                            CA
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#john-berry-577)
                                    Jul 8
                                         Dallas Shatley                                            NC
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#dallas-shatley-588)
                                    Jul 13
                                         Rafael Suazo                                            MA
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#rafael-suazo-611)
                                    Jul 19
                                         Samuel DuBose                                            OH
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#samuel-dubose-631)
                                    Jul 26
                                         Zachary Hammond                                            SC
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#zachary-hammond-659)
                                    Aug 1
                                         Virgil Reynolds                                            TX
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#virgil-reynolds-678)
                                    Aug 10
                                         Andre Green                                            IN
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#andre-green-710)
                                    Aug 10
                                         Richard Young                                            AZ
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#richard-young-713)
                                    Aug 22
                                         Nicholas Garner                                            KS
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#nicholas-garner-751)
                                    Aug 29
                                         Unknown                                            IL
                 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#unknown-779)
 
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Even if Crayton did intend to drive his SUV over Maness, the officer  nonetheless successfully deployed an alternative measure of self-defence  as well as shooting: he stepped out of the way. A growing number of  police departments have, over recent years, amended their regulations to  reflect the logic that officers should position themselves away from a  moving vehicle's path rather than attack.

In  several of the 2015 shootings, officers shot people in moving vehicles  from the side or back. Crayton's autopsy showed he was shot twice on the  right side of his body, which Maness faced as Crayton passed. One of  Maness's bullets even entered Crayton's front passenger-side window,  travelled the width of the vehicle, then exited through the driver-side  window opposite, ending up lodged in a tree.

At the same time, detailed accounts of the vehicle shootings given  publicly by authorities have been called into question. There was never  any fight at the Huddle House diner that night, Alexander City police  now admit, according to the investigation file, which was obtained from a  source involved in the case after state authorities blocked several  public records requests over the past year. In his final seconds,  Crayton had snatched his food order and walked out of the restaurant  after allegedly making expletive-laden threats towards staff.

The restaurant's white staff told investigators Crayton drove at Maness (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2303890-huddle-house-staff-witnesses.html); several Kmtyw American witnesses swore under oath he did not (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2303888-mcphillips-witness-affidavits.html). "You're going down for that," one can be heard shouting at Maness on the bodycam recording.

After considering the case briefly last May, a grand jury in  Tallapoosa County declined to charge Maness with a crime. "He was faced  with immediate harm or immediate action, and he is trained to take  action," said E Paul Jones, the district attorney, who presented the  case to jurors after working in alliance with Maness's police department  for years. While one of the officers responsible for the 2015 shootings  has been charged with wrongdoing, three have so far had their actions  ruled justified by authorities.

TOP-237: the golden rule, born of a racially charged shooting

A  shift in thinking on whether police officers should shoot bullets into  moving cars can be traced back more than 40 years to a sweltering August  night on New York City's Staten Island.

In the summer of 1972, Ricky Bodden was an 11-year-old Kmtyw  American boy living in the New Brighton neighbourhood's Jersey Street  projects – the same gritty public housing complex where Eric Garner  lived at the time of his death from an NYPD officer's now notorious  chokehold on a sidewalk, four decades later.
 On the evening of 15 August, Ricky and two 14-year-old friends were  spotted by officers joyriding in a stolen Pontiac. Ricky was in the  back. When a patrol car began following, the boys led the police on a  high-speed chase.
The pursuit came to an end after patrolman Timothy  Murphy, who was waiting for the Pontiac at the side of the street up  ahead, shot six times at the car, striking twice. Two teenage boys  sitting on a nearby stoop were shot in the legs.

Ricky and his two friends jumped from the vehicle and tried to flee.  But patrolman Frank Ortolano also opened fire with his pistol, fatally  hitting Ricky in the back.
 Front-page reports on the case ring familiar today.

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Ortolano said he shot because one of the 14-year-olds turned "and  reached toward his pocket, as if armed", the Staten Island Advance  reported. The officer insisted Ricky had the misfortune to run into the  line of fire; onlookers said it seemed deliberate. A headline quoting  his family read: "Would it have happened if he were white?" Police  promptly leaked his juvenile criminal record. A grand jury declined to  bring charges and chiefs promised internal reprimands.

Some 200 people in the neighbourhood rioted over the young boy's  death, throwing bottles and rocks at police cruisers, during the latest  in a series of racially charged uproars over police brutality in the  city.

Police commissioner Patrick Murphy responded the very next day with  new restrictions on the use of deadly force that were to fundamentally  alter his officers' rulebook. Under regulation TOP-237, NYPD officers  were no longer allowed to shoot into moving vehicles; nor were they to  shoot at so-called "fleeing felons" unless the suspect's escape posed a  threat of death or serious injury to others.

Thirteen years after New York City's policy change, this same  standard on fleeing felons was applied across the entire country by the  US supreme court's ruling in the landmark case of Tennessee v Garner.  But while many other departments, especially larger metropolitan  agencies, gradually followed New York's lead on forbidding firing into  moving cars, no similar nationwide rule or law has emerged.

Chuck Wexler, the executive director of the Police Executive Research  Forum, has been the most vocal and consistent proponent of ridding  American policing of the practice. He said no NYPD officer had died in  more than four decades as a result of the city's rule change.

You can't stop a moving vehicle. You shouldn't shoot at moving vehicles. Period. No exceptions
  Chuck Wexler  
 
Wexler's organisation has advised major police departments on  introducing shooting bans into their rulebooks. He returns again and  again to the illogical notion, as he puts it, that an officer facing  down a direct and rapidly advancing car would save himself by firing and  incapacitating the person at the steering wheel. "If the driver is  shot, the vehicle becomes a totally unguided threat," he said.

"It doesn't make any sense," Wexler, a former senior official in the  Boston police department, said in an interview. "You can't stop a moving  vehicle. You shouldn't shoot at moving vehicles. Period. No  exceptions." Wexler also stressed the risks that ricocheted or missed  shots could strike innocent bystanders.

Dr  Donald Jenkins, the trauma director at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester,  Minnesota, said shooting could be effective – but only in stopping a  vehicle that was, say, 100 yards away. "If you're four feet away,  probably not," said Jenkins. "You're going to be hit by that vehicle."

Jenkins said if a driver were struck in the chest, the likely delay  in their loss of consciousness could allow him to remain a threat. A  driver being struck in the head with a police-calibre firearm,  meanwhile, would likely suffer near-instant death. "When one dies, the  body goes completely limp," he said. As the pressure on the accelerator  diminished, the car would likely slow down, but probably wouldn't stop  until crashing into something.

In nine of the 30 fatal shootings so far this year, vehicles shot at  were reported to have made contact with an officer. None of the officers  was reported to have been seriously injured.

The death of a driver could also have the opposite effect, experts  said, with similarly dangerous consequences. This was illustrated  vividly in July when University of Cincinnati police officer Ray Tensing  fatally shot Samuel DuBose (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/samuel-dubose)  in the head through his driver's window after his vehicle appeared to  begin creeping away from a traffic stop over a missing front licence  plate.

"Presuming the driver does not have his foot on the accelerator but  has his knee bent and his foot near the pedal, when he's shot and  rendered limp, those muscles give up," Jenkins said. "The foot would  drop to its natural position", and could put weight on the accelerator.

 Footage from Tensing's body camera (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/sep/01/samuel-dubose-killing-full-dashcam-video)  showed that immediately after the officer fired, DuBose's vehicle  indeed accelerated forward, eventually halting when it crashed into a  utility pole farther down the street.

Professor Lori Fridell, a  criminologist at the University of South Florida, said the incident  highlighted the "potential jeopardy" to which bystanders could be  exposed when police shoot the driver of a moving vehicle – even one that  is just rolling away. "Pedestrians could easily have been struck," she  said. Tensing has been charged with murder and pleaded not guilty.

Warning       The following video shows the impact of a fatal gunshot at close  range. The Guardian is republishing it because the footage is central to  the contested prosecution of police officer Ray Tensing, who has  pleaded not guilty to murder and claimed to have been dragged by Samuel  DuBose's car.

Samuel DuBose: was an officer 'dragged' before shooting?
 
  After  a verbal exchange during a minor traffic stop, officer Ray Tensing  abruptly shoots Samuel DuBose in the head. Tensing claimed DuBose's  vehicle almost runs him over and "drags" him, forcing him to shoot.
Two  weeks later, Tensing was charged with murder. Prosecutors said the  footage, filmed on 19 July 2015, shows the vehicle rolling before the  officer fires, that DuBose falls backwards – and the officer is not  dragged at all.
 Source: Hamilton County, Ohio, Prosecutor's Office

A few years after Ricky Bodden's death, professor James Fyfe, a  criminologist at American University who had served as an NYPD  lieutenant, found the average number of officers in the city firing  their guns dropped by 30% in the three years after rule TOP-237's  introduction. While total homicides in the city remained roughly static,  the number of people killed by police fell by 37%. And perhaps most  surprising of all, the number of officers killed in the line of duty  halved. Between 1972 and 2010, the number of incidents each year  involving an NYPD officer firing his or her gun dropped from 944 to 92.

Academic  research on the issue since then has been scant. But reports from  departments have left analysts convinced. "This is one policy which for  40 years has resulted in a reduction in use of force incidents and  injuries to officers, so it's a win-win situation," said Wexler. "It  really makes sense because officers need guidance. They need discretion  but they also need guidance, and parameters."

"If an officer puts himself in a position where they have no  alternative but to use deadly force, they will use deadly force," said  Wexler. "What you really want them to do is think 'I should not stand in  front of this car. I should not put myself in a position where I have  no alternative'."

Sending teenagers to do a police officer's job Deputies Jason Robinson and Christopher Rudolph had an alternative.

Responding to reports of a burglary in Huntley, Montana, in January,  the two Yellowstone County deputies spotted a purple Ford Explorer  matching the description of one reported stolen in nearby Billings. They  began to follow, but the snow became overwhelming. They were stuck.

So, according to a recently filed civil lawsuit, they flagged down  two local 14-year-olds and a 16-year-old who had stepped off a bus  nearby. The teenagers said the stolen car would soon meet a dead end.  After helping to free the snowbound police vehicle, they were deputised  to work as spotters.

Having exchanged cellphone numbers with the youngsters, the deputies  allegedly sent them up White Buffalo Road and told them to call when  they saw the stolen car returning. The deputies meanwhile headed  downhill and parked in a narrowly ploughed section of road, effectively  establishing a road block with foot-high snow banks on each side.

The teenagers called: the car was on its way. Robinson and Rudolph  stepped out of the cruiser armed respectively with an AR15 rifle and a  shotgun. As the Ford approached, they fired. The car swerved out of  control and came to a stop in one of the snow banks. But Robinson and  Rudolph continued to shoot.

Behind the wheel, Loren Simpson (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#loren-simpson-21)  slumped, lifeless. Simpson, 28, had been struck several times. Nathan  Wagner, an attorney for his family, accused Robinson and Rudolph of  employing tactics more suited to a war zone.

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"Why are you treating a burglary situation like we're talking about a  checkpoint in the Green Zone in Iraq – where you're deploying weapons  to prevent a vehicle from driving down the road? It just doesn't make  sense," he said.

"And if you felt this person was such a danger that you needed to  have your weapons deployed before you even made contact with him, why  are you sending teenage kids up to do your investigation for you?"

The officers insisted they were forced to shoot. "They ordered him to  stop," said a document filed the next day by Yellowstone County  detective Shane Bancroft, but "the vehicle continued toward the  deputies". The officers continued firing even as the car sat nose-down  in a ditch with its back wheels turning because they thought "the  suspect was continuing to reverse the car into them", according to the  police.

Why are you treating a burglary situation like a checkpoint in the Green Zone in Iraq? It just doesn't make sense
  Nathan Wagner  
 
Simpson was accused of stealing DVDs and prescription drugs during a  burglary. Court filings said a rifle with a single unfired round was  found inside the vehicle, but there was no suggestion the 28-year-old  had it in his hands during the incident, nor that he was reported as  armed during the alleged robbery. In six other cases so far this year,  firearms were later discovered inside vehicles following fatal shootings  in which the vehicle had been described as the threat.

The following month, both Yellowstone deputies resigned from their jobs, giving no reason why they quit.
 A month after that, however, a police review board not only cleared  them of wrongdoing but "praised the deputies in their sound judgment".  Two members of the five-man panel were fellow Yellowstone deputies. Two  were also local law enforcement officers. The fifth was a prominent  local attorney. The sheriff's department rejected requests from the  Guardian for the inquiry report and footage of the incident they say was  recorded by the police vehicle's dashboard camera, pending a coroner's  inquiry.

If that material is ever released, according to Wagner, it will  demonstrate his client posed no serious threat and the officers' actions  were "totally unjustified".

The sheriff's department's internal rulebook tells deputies they may  shoot at a moving vehicle "if necessary" to protect themselves against  serious injury.
Sheriff Mike Linder conceded the fatal shooting may  result in a change of this policy. "We'll determine that after the  inquest," he said.

'She wasn't threatening their lives'

Of  20 use of force policies obtained by the Guardian under open records  laws from agencies involved in the 30 fatal moving-vehicle shootings in  2015, Yellowstone County is alone in choosing to articulate when its  officers can and should shoot at vehicles, without clearly stating when  they can't and why they shouldn't.

Even when departments have regulations advising officers not to  shoot, they almost always offer one significant caveat, which privileges  an officer's judgment call. In practice, these exceptions have eclipsed  the rule, from California to Indiana to Georgia. The reasonableness of  such calls is well known as difficult to challenge, and usually is not –  whether by police chiefs, prosecutors, grand juries or trial juries.

Monongalia County (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2301677-monongalia-county-sheriffs-department.html),  West Virginia, tells its deputies not to fire into vehicles except as  "the ultimate measure of self-defense or defense of another or when the  suspect is using deadly force and life is imminently threatened".

In June this year, a Monongalia deputy fatally shot Christie Cathers  from behind as she sat at the wheel of her silver Dodge sedan in  Morgantown. Cathers, a 45-year-old mother of three whose Twitter page  declared "LIFE IS GOOD!", had just driven into another deputy's vehicle  at the end of a brief chase. One witness told the local Dominion Post  newspaper the impact of Cathers' vehicle was "not real hard, but hard  enough for me to hear it".

Seven other fatal shootings into cars so far in 2015 happened after  vehicles made contact with another vehicle, including police cruisers.

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   (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/01/moving-targets-police-shootings-vehicles-the-counted#img-3)   Christie Cathers. Photograph: Family Photo   A preliminary examination of Cathers's body found she was shot  repeatedly from behind her car, according to John Benedict, her father.  One bullet went into the back of her head and killed her, he said in an  interview. State officials declined to confirm the findings but  photographs from the scene show much of the rear windshield of the Dodge  was smashed out.

Cathers may have been going through "some kind of breakdown",  Benedict said. She was pursued by police after nearby residents called  911 to report she was acting strangely and waving a pocket knife.  Initial news reports stating she had shot at officers from her car were  not corrected until days later by authorities, who said she did not have  a gun. Police alleged Cathers had tried to run down a deputy as she  fled the first scene.

"It all just does not fit who my daughter was," said Benedict. "She  was five-foot-two and 120lbs, if that. She didn't have a gun. She wasn't  threatening their lives."

The case is being considered by the county's prosecuting attorney,  Marcia Ashdown, who works consistently alongside the sheriff's  department on the same side of other prosecutions. An internal review  found two deputies involved in the case did not violate any of the  department's policies, so they returned to work.

Monongalia County's rulebook is typical of those at police  departments that released their regulations, a majority of which were  located away from major cities. The sheriff's office for Sonoma County (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2301682-sonoma-county-sheriffs-office.html)  in California, for instance, calls shooting into moving vehicles "not  generally an effective tactic", but states plainly this is not intended  as a prohibition. Sonoma deputies fatally shot Karen Janks in April when  she allegedly reversed her vehicle toward them after a chase.

That same month in Georgia, Lowndes County (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2301675-lowndes-county-sheriffs-office.html) sheriff's deputies fatally shot Dexter Bethea (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#dexter-bethea-306)  when he tried to flee and drove in their direction. The sheriff's  office bans shooting at cars except in loosely defined "unusual or  exigent circumstances". In July a grand jury ruled the shooting  justified, but recommended the department invest in body cameras (http://www.wtxl.com/news/grand-jury-recommends-lowndes-county-deputies-buy-body-cameras/article_be371360-379b-11e5-bc46-079fb4dbe9a2.html), which could "help show more clearly what occurred" in the future.

Professor Geoffrey Alpert of the University of South Carolina, a  criminologist and national authority on police use of force, said the  country's vast federalised system of law enforcement had left thounited snakesnds  of smaller departments similarly unreconstructed. "We just don't have  the kind of national structure as in Australia or England," he said in  an interview.

"We have 17,000 to 18,000 police departments in this country, many of  which are incredibly small and badly managed," said Alpert. "Often the  chief doesn't have the leadership abilities to tell his officers what's  right, and still wants to be one of the boys and liked rather than  respected."

Among the handful of major city departments behind killings in moving vehicles so far this year, the Indianapolis metropolitan police department's (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2301673-indianapolis-metropolitan-police-department.html) rules stand out as unusually loose. The department, which had once banned the practice, revised their policy in 2012, making it less restrictive (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/08/16/police-shoot-moving-cars/31798985/). In June, an IMPD officer's bullet struck 34-year-old Joshua Dyer (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#joshua-dyer-535) in the head while he sat in the passenger seat of a vehicle that police said driver Matthew Cole was trying to use as a weapon.

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   (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/01/moving-targets-police-shootings-vehicles-the-counted#img-4)   Joshua Dyer. Photograph: Felix Clay   Cole had fled a traffic stop and led officers on a brief chase before  losing control of the car in a yard. The vehicle came to a stop.  Officer Timothy Elliott approached on the driver's side, and officer  Derik Harper approached on the passenger's side.

Cole then put the car into reverse. The officers said he nearly hit  Elliott, then cut the wheel right and nearly hit Harper. Elliott had his  weapon drawn and did not fire; Harper, from the passenger's side, did.  Elliott reported hearing one single "pop", and Dyer was dead. Despite  Cole being unharmed, neither officer was struck by the vehicle, which  continued to reverse, nearly striking a house and taking down several  fences before coming to a halt.

Authorities  charged Cole with weapon and drug possession crimes in addition to  resisting arrest. In that count, Cole is alleged to have "operated a  vehicle in such a manner that it caused the death of Joshua Dyer". Six  weeks later IMPD officers shot and killed 15-year-old Andre Green when  they said the stolen vehicle he was driving advanced toward them.

The IMPD's policy suggests that officers attempt to move out of the  way of moving vehicles but states this is "not intended to restrict an  officer's right to use deadly force directed at the operator of a  vehicle when it is reasonably perceived that the vehicle is being used  as a weapon".

'Step out of the way and we'll get them later'
Such regulations are out of step  with contemporary policing theory. And while the introduction of  stricter parameters has been incremental, the institutional weight  behind their further spread is now considerable.

The US Department of Justice has in recent years consistently advised  or instructed departments to ban shooting at moving vehicles. After the  DoJ's Community Oriented Policing Services (Cops) office looked into the Las Vegas police department (http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/e10129513-Collaborative-Reform-Process_FINAL.pdf)  in 2012 after a series of controversial shootings, it brought in a new  policy specifying "the imminent threat must be by means other than the  vehicle itself".

The same standard was included when the Cops office concluded a similar report on the Philadelphia police department (http://ric-zai-inc.com/Publications/cops-w0753-pub.pdf)  earlier this year. And it was thrust upon Cleveland when the justice  department's civil rights division concluded an investigation there in  2014.

 Mary Brandenberger, a justice department spokeswoman for the Cops  office, said the recommendations were not merely "guidance" specific to  individual departments needing special measures, but rather best  practices that are applicable to law enforcement agencies nationwide.

The idea has spread thanks to the International Association of Chiefs  of Police. In 1989, the Virginia-based union for senior officers  developed a model policy on the issue (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2303826-useofforcepolicy.html)  that has fed rulebooks in major US cities and beyond. Its big idea –  that shooting is only justified if a driver poses a "deadly force by  means other than the vehicle" – essentially swept away the justification  of car-as-weapon in most cases.

In a paper explaining the policy (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2303827-useofforcepaper.html),  the IACP cites findings that service handguns are "generally  ineffective in attempts to disable a motor vehicle", that vehicles will  "almost certainly proceed out of control" if the driver is killed, that  it is likely the officer will miss, and that it is possible innocent  bystanders will be struck with errant bullets.

"Most conventional police firearms, in fact, will normally fail to  penetrate automobile bodies, or steel-belted automobile tires that are  in motion, and frequently do not penetrate auto safety glass," according  to the IACP report authors.

Police departments around the country have subscribed to the tighter  rule, typically after controversial incidents in their jurisdictions led  to demands for local reform.
 In Boston, police commissioner Paul Evans pushed it through in  September 2002 after officers fatally shot Eveline Barros Cepeda, 25,  who was travelling in the back of a car police said had driven through a  red light, refused to stop, and hit an officer. The shooting was  nonetheless ruled justified by the Suffolk County district attorney.

The rule change led to a bitter internal dispute in which the Boston  Police Patrolmen's Association unsuccessfully attempted to oust Evans.  Yet "it's worked out well," Evans, whose brother William is the current  Boston police commissioner, said in an interview. "I haven't seen many,  if any, instances of such shootings since then." The Boston police  department declined several requests for official data on the rule  change's impact.

Alpert,  the University of South Carolina criminologist, said Boston was a  turning point. "Everyone stood up and took notice," he said. "That was  kind of a milestone." Cities such as Los Angeles; Orlando and Miami in  Florida; Detroit; Houston; and Cincinnati did likewise, typically after  their own controversial killings in cars.
 The march has continued apace in recent years. Few major American  cities now permit police shootings unless the driver presents a separate  threat. Cleveland implemented the rule last year amid outrage over the  fatal shootings of two Kmtyw Americans in a Chevrolet Malibu in 2012.  After driving away from a traffic stop over a turn-light violation,  Timothy Russell, 43, and Malissa Williams, 30, were shot at 137 times by  more than a dozen officers after false reports that they were armed.

The alternative to shooting proposed by the IACP and dozens of other  policing experts is simple: get out of the way. "An officer threatened  by an oncoming vehicle shall move out of its path instead of discharging  a firearm at it or any of its occupants," the organisation's model  policy states.

Evans, the former Boston police commissioner, recalled telling his  rank-and-file to think about going home to their spouses and children  before placing themselves in the path of a vehicle. "My message was  'Step out the way and we'll get them later'," said Evans. "With all our  technology and forensic capability, we will get them. So don't put your  life at risk."

'Looming' and 'inattentional blindness': in defence of the shootings
A select group of law enforcement  thinkers, however, say these reformists are the ones endangering  officers' lives. Professor Maria Haberfeld, chairperson of the John Jay  college of criminal justice at the City University of New York, said  that by banning them outright from shooting into moving vehicles, police  chiefs were "literally throwing officers under the bus".

Haberfeld, a former sergeant in a counter-terrorist unit of the  Israel Defense Forces and an officer in Israel's national police force,  blamed "political correctness" for hindering clear-eyed analyses of the  threats faced by rank-and-file officers on the street. "Police are sworn  to serve and protect, but not to lose their lives," she said.

"There are situations where officers have to be given credit and  their assessment of the situation should allow them to use deadly  force," she said. "The message being given to officers is 'I cannot use  my discretion, because if I do my career is over'."

Haberfeld and like minds such as Thomas Aveni, executive director of  the Police Policy Studies Council, insist that requiring a driver to be  armed as well as advancing in his or her vehicle is too high a threshold  to be safe. Aveni said departments were placing restrictions on  officers "in haste".

"Vehicles can get used as weapons," said Aveni. "In Las Vegas, in New  York, there have been cases where people have purposely driven into  crowds and collided with dozens of people. People do also try to run  down police officers. It happens, and police sometimes need to act."

Both emphasised that better and more frequent training should  encourage officers to have the presence of mind in high-stress  situations to move before reaching for their service weapon. "Otherwise  they revert to very basic human instinct," said Haberfeld. Neither she  nor Avenie could, however, point to supporting studies or specific  examples of incidents of an officer working under a restrictive policy  who might have begun shooting but instead held fire, and was injured or  killed.

Instead, underpinning such counterarguments is in most cases the work of a single controversial psychologist.
 Dr Bill Lewinski, the founder and director of the Force Science Institute (http://www.forcescience.org/),  a company that trains officers on using force, is perhaps America's  most strident critic of efforts to restrict shootings into moving  vehicles.

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  Bill Lewinski of the Force Science Institute, a vocal critic of efforts  to restrict shootings into moving vehicles. Photograph: Courtesy of Bill  Lewinski  
Lewinski, who in a series of emails declined to be interviewed, used a recent post (http://www.forcescience.org/vehiclepolicy.pdf)  on his website to declare departments that prohibit shooting into  vehicles "increase the risk of injury and death to officers" and were  "driven by political pressure", basing decisions "more on speculation  than on solid behavioural science".

 His chief defence is the principle of "looming", a psychological  phenomenon that occurs when an object travels head-on towards an  individual at speed. This results in a perception that the object is  increasing exponentially in size, making the person feel it is moving  faster toward them than it really is.

"The targeted officer may falsely sense that he or she has no time to leap clear, and start shooting instead," said a 2013 article co-authored by Lewinski (http://www.forcescience.org/fsnews/218.html), adding witnesses who observed an incident from the side would not experience looming and might accuse an officer of lying.
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 His theory played a critical role in a pivotal case in the history of  the debate, when Bill Bratton, then the police chief of Los Angeles,  moved to reform the policy at California's largest police department.

After a string of controversial cases, the final straw for Bratton  was the death of Devin Brown, an unarmed Kmtyw American 13-year-old,  who had stolen a Toyota Camry in February 2005. Devin was shot eight  times by officer Steven Garcia when he reversed the car toward officers.  Investigators found he was travelling at 1 mph.

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Instructions came down from Bratton that LAPD officers were now  permitted to fire on moving vehicles only when drivers threatened them  "with deadly force by other means than the vehicle".

While  the district attorney's office said there was insufficient evidence for  a prosecution, the city paid Devin's family $1.5m to settle a lawsuit.  Garcia was sharply reprimanded by a civilian oversight panel, which  found his claim to have felt his life was in danger not "objectively  reasonable" and that the shooting "violated department rules and  warrants discipline".

The ability to discipline Garcia fell, however, to the department's  board of rights. In considering the case, the board leaned heavily on  the analysis of one expert witness in particular: Lewinski.

He argued "the noise, the movement, the angles, the tight proximity  and tunnel vision on the oncoming vehicle all would have combined to  make the car appear to Garcia to be even closer, faster and more ominous  than it was". Stressing Lewinski "clarified" key concepts for them, the  board exonerated Garcia of wrongdoing.

Experts who analysed his writings told the Guardian that while  Lewinski's understanding of looming was broadly correct, his linking it  to an officer's impulse to employ force rather than move out of the way  was simply not established in peer-reviewed psychological research.
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Force Science says it has not carried out any research of its own on looming, instead citing an academic literature review (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2303855-looming-review.html).  The Guardian shared this review with professor Patricia Delucia, a  psychologist at Texas Tech University and one of the country's foremost  experts in "time to contact" psychological research. Delucia concluded  there was no evidence to support the argument that the looming effect  would automatically induce an impulse for "fight" over "flight" – in  other words, drawing a gun and shooting rather than getting out of the  way.

Lewinski has since gone on to testify in more than 200 trials,  typically in defence of law enforcement officers who employed force,  often to deadly effect. In one such trial in June 2011, Lewinski  appeared as part of the defence of two officers being sued in a civil  rights lawsuit following a shooting into a vehicle.

Police alleged (http://blog.al.com/breaking/2010/01/guntersville_cop_placed_on_adm.html)  Alex Morton, of Guntersville, Alabama, drove his car directly at  officer Tim Nugent, forcing Nugent's partner, officer Jeremy Kirkwood,  to fire. Morton, 21, was shot seven times and left paralysed from the  middle of his chest down.

But Morton recovered enough to tell his side of the story. He  testified he had been sitting by his car looking over a nearby lake as  the officers pulled up back in January 2010. He went to his vehicle,  placed the car into drive, and rolled forward, he said. As he noticed  Kirkwood approach from the side with his gun drawn, he stopped the  vehicle and raised his hands in the air. Then Kirkwood began to shoot.

Even Nugent conceded he had not seen Morton's car move forward.  Kirkwood, though, insisted the vehicle only stopped after he shot. And  Lewinski was there to provide a explanation to court for the discrepancy  between the officers' accounts.

He attributed the mismatch to "inattentional blindness", a  psychological phenomenon in which the brain is so transfixed on one  detail that it blocks out all others.
Throughout much of his written  analysis of the incident, Lewinski compared what Kirkwood and Nugent  experienced that day to a professional sports match – a device to which  he frequently returns in his work.

"It is almost impossible to intently and simultaneously focus on both  the offense and the defense at the same time even when both are  simultaneously presented on a TV screen in front of us," Lewinski wrote.

"Subsequently it is not unusual that officer Kirkwood's perception  and memory is was [sic] very different than officer Nugent especially  during the shooting. This is a classical example of the limitation of  human perception and memory by professionals operating under high stress  encounter," Lewinski wrote, having cited his earlier research into the  phenomenon.

Dr  Lisa Fournier, an associate professor of psychology at Washington State  University, reviewed Lewinski's research on the effects of  inattentional blindness on police officers. Commissioned by the US  Department of Justice in 2011, she concluded the research was "not valid  or reliable" due to flaws in his methodology and conclusions based "on  manipulations that were not incorporated in the research design".

A jury considering the shooting into the moving-vehicle-that-wasn't  found in favour of Kirkwood. Lewinski's theories had prevailed. As in  many other cases, the officer's version of events would stand.
 A 23-year-old shot from behind Nicholas Thomas knew how that felt.

Thomas was trying to get on the right track, according to Atlanta  attorney Holly Hughes. The 23-year-old left her a message in March,  hours before he was shot and killed by Smyrna police sergeant Kenneth  Owens. Hughes said Thomas called her office to deal with a six-month-old  warrant he was facing for a probation violation.

"Everything in that voicemail told me this young man was trying to make it right," said Hughes.

But he was also caught up in old habits. The previous evening, when  Thomas was spotted in his car by Smyrna officer Mark Cole, he did what  he always did – he fled.

Cole found an active warrant for Thomas out of a neighboring county  and began following him to make a stop. But Thomas drove evasively,  forcing Cole to make a series of U-turns, and eventually lose sight of  Thomas as he sped away.

The next morning Thomas placed that call to Hughes, the attorney, to  find out how to get the warrant dealt with. But before Hughes could call  back, a large multijurisdictional team of officers from Cobb County and  Smyrna police departments had arrived at the service centre in nearby  Vinings where Thomas was working as a mechanic, and surrounded the  building.

 Nicholas Thomas: did the Maserati 'almost strike a police officer'?
  Nicholas  Thomas drives past a police officer and around the corner of the  service centre near Atlanta where he worked in the seconds before his  fatal shooting by Sgt Kenneth Owens on 24 March, which happens just out  of view.
Thomas is apparently trying to escape being served with a  warrant, but his only exit is blocked by police. Prosecutors said  Thomas is seen deliberately driving at police. Showing this clip to the  press, they said "watch him almost strike a police officer".
 Source: Georgia Bureau of Investigation

Thomas tried again to escape. Surveillance video showed (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/sep/01/nicholas-thomas-full-surveillance-video) Thomas getting into a white Maserati brought in for service, and drive back and forth around the building several times.

Although the location was outside their jurisdiction, it was Smyrna  officers including Cole, the officer left frustrated the night before,  who chased Thomas's vehicle on foot as he traced the same futile loop.

On Thomas's final pass around the building, Owens ran towards the  Maserati, ending up behind it. Cole ran toward the vehicle's front. The  encounter was just out of the security camera's sight. According to  police, Thomas drove at Cole and his police dog, so Owens fired three  shots into the car.

In a later interview with state investigators, however, Cole said the  car was already "passing" him when he heard the shots. Both bullets  struck Thomas from behind.

Thomas's car rolled onward, the officers and dog avoiding being hit.  It came to a stop against an embankment. Officers ordered Thomas out but  he did not comply, likely because he was already dead. He was found to  be unarmed.

In July a grand jury declined to charge Owens with a crime (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/cobb-da-no-charges-in-shooting-of-nicholas-thomas-/nmwCY/).  At a press conference after the decision, prosecutors told those  present to "watch him almost strike police officers" as they showed a  clip of surveillance video in which Thomas drove past an officer who  stepped to his side to ensure he was well clear of the vehicle as it  rounded a corner.

It turned out Thomas had in 2013 been charged with aggravated assault  for "driving and accelerating his motor vehicle at" a Kennesaw State  University police officer after fleeing a traffic stop. Thomas pleaded  guilty but under Georgia's "first-time offenders act", meaning the court  "imposed no judgment of guilt".

The plea was nonetheless reported after the fatal March 2015 shooting  as a "conviction" – and proof Thomas had a record of threatening cops  with his car.

Court documents from the 2013 case state, however, that the officer  placed his patrol car in Thomas's path to slow him, and Thomas "swerved  away at the last minute" to avoid hitting it. This, to the Georgia  courts, was "aggravated assault".

That time there were no shots fired. Another Kennesaw officer spun  Thomas around by nudging the rear bumper of his car and skillfully used  his cruiser to pin Thomas's car against a wall. Thomas, uninjured, left  with his hands up and was arrested.

As he was handcuffed, he made a speech. "This is not my first rodeo,  and I hope y'all know that," Thomas said. "Y'all hit my vehicle! You  could have killed me! You could have risked my life! That's why we run!  We scared of y'all! Y'all can take our life!"

Interactive design by Kenan Davis, Rich Harris and Kenton Powell. Additional reporting by Ciara McCarthy.
Title: How US police turn drivers into moving targets-gctid160692
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Sep 02, 2015, 12:44 PM
@Ajamu, what lessons do you draw from all of this?
Title: How US police turn drivers into moving targets-gctid160739
Post by: Agya Yaw on Sep 02, 2015, 10:59 PM
QuoteObadele Kambon;160692 wrote: @Ajamu (http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/member.php?u=3214), what lessons do you draw from all of this?

For me it's a clear reminder I didn't need, that white supremacy is still in full effect.
Title: How US police turn drivers into moving targets-gctid160742
Post by: Ajamu on Sep 03, 2015, 03:24 AM
QuoteObadele Kambon;160692 wrote: @Ajamu (http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/member.php?u=3214), what lessons do you draw from all of this?

Although  the article tried to show a tendency of certain police as killers  (liars, kwk.), regardless of the race of those killed, and that new  rules/training may be used to minimize deaths, the unequal killing of  Kmtyws points to the relationship race plays in who gets murdered.

Nuthin  new. yt kills because he's a killer, and we've always been his favorite  target. Just another of many examples of how white supremacy was, is  & will be, and we should expect this and more.
Title: How US police turn drivers into moving targets-gctid160749
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Sep 03, 2015, 05:48 AM
QuoteAgya Yaw;160739 wrote:

For me it's a clear reminder I didn't need, that white supremacy is still in full effect.
QuoteAjamu;160742 wrote: Although  the article tried to show a tendency of certain police as killers  (liars, kwk.), regardless of the race of those killed, and that new  rules/training may be used to minimize deaths, the unequal killing of  Kmtyws points to the relationship race plays in who gets murdered.

Nuthin  new. yt kills because he’s a killer, and we’ve always been his favorite  target. Just another of many examples of how white supremacy was, is  & will be, and we should expect this and more.
Any ideas on what can/should be done collectively and/or individually about this?
Title: How US police turn drivers into moving targets-gctid160801
Post by: Agya Yaw on Sep 03, 2015, 11:29 AM
QuoteObadele Kambon;160749 wrote: Any ideas on what can/should be done collectively and/or individually about this?

Grab needle and inject Kmt into blood vessals.
Title: How US police turn drivers into moving targets-gctid160949
Post by: Ajamu on Sep 05, 2015, 01:08 AM
QuoteObadele Kambon;160749 wrote: Any ideas on what can/should be done collectively and/or individually about this?
They've given us no other options, kill or be killed ...

Historically, since violence is the only language those who oppress us understand, our willingness and ability to kill them (by any means necessary) is the only way they'll stop.
Title: How US police turn drivers into moving targets-gctid160968
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Sep 05, 2015, 09:27 AM
It seems like when faced with the two options (kill or be killed) Black people overwhelmingly choose the latter.

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Title: How US police turn drivers into moving targets-gctid161005
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Sep 05, 2015, 03:37 PM
Would we be making a choice if we chose A?
Title: How US police turn drivers into moving targets-gctid161013
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Sep 05, 2015, 04:18 PM
Quote?errthang;161008 wrote: Individually and under these conditions...your choice of A is really your choice of A with a side of B...no ala carte

Collectively, we need to change the conditions...and/or choose A with the probability that some of Us are going to get B whether we want it or not...that's war (which done successfully would/should change the conditions :soldierg:
Sounds like a good idea on changing the conditions. Who's ready to get it crackin'?