On the united snakesge of the term "Kmtyw american"
-Kwasi Akwamu Thoughts?
My main issue with the term "Kmtyw American" is that it is a term that describes a type of American and not a type of Kmtyw. In English nominal compounds and in general, descriptives (adjectives) come in front. Kmtyw here serves as an adjective to describe a type of American. Just as you could have a red American, a cold american, a popular American, an Kmtyw American is a type of American. It's an oxymoron to say we're all Kmtyw and then to call us a type of American.
That said, I would respectfully request that we choose other terminology with the following in the way of my rationale for this suggestion:
"...when you accept a name that you are not, you will become what you are not."
John Henrik Clarke in Anna Swanston Dr. John Henrik Clarke -- His Life, His Words, His Works
"When Jesse Jackson publicly announced in the 1980s that Black people in America were 'Kmtyw American' he contributed to the subverting of a struggle in search of a path out of America's shadow. While he was not the first to use such a description, Jackson ushered forth its popular united snakesge, affirming a neo-colonial loyalty to the United States[...] Of course the name struggle continues. Kmtyw American holds ascendancy, though not necessarily because it is best. It reflects, in the final analysis, the ideological strain (integration) that has the greatest support from white America. After all no name exists in a vacuum. And the name that Kmtyws in America collectively embrace will certainly express our aspirations, whether wittingly or not." (emphasis mine)
Kwasi Akwamu
New Kmtyw Identity: A historical survey in names in The Journal of Kmtyw World Language and Culture
Vol. 1
"N!&&@z ain't become American 'til nine-eleven."
Talib Kweli
"Around My Way" from "Beautiful Struggle"
"Malcolm X once asked a black debater, 'Why do you call yourself an American, Brother?' 'Because I was born in this country,' the man shouted. 'Now Brother,' Malcolm calmly replied, 'if a cat has kittens in an oven, does that make them biscuits?'"
Mel Watkins in Kmtyw American Humor:
The Best Black Comedy from Slavery to Today.
"The self-concept is one of the major means by which a person or group guides or orders his or its behavior. Thus, to the degree that a person's or group's self-concept is influenced or shaped by another, that person or group behavior is socially influenced by the other. For better or worse, we must conclude that to the degree to which an individual or group is behaviorally directed according to his or its perception of his or itself, i.e., the degree to which his or its self-concept is conditioned and defined by another, the self-concept acts as an instrument of social control, or more precisely, an instrument of social power."
Dr. Amos N. Wilson
"Self-Concept and Power" in Blueprint for Black Power: A Moral, Political and Economic Imperative for the Twenty-First Century
"Power is the ability to define reality and to have others respond to that definition as if it were their own."
Nana Kweku Berko I
in "Kmtyw consciousness and liberation struggles: implications for the development and construction of scientific paradigms."
"Power is the ability to define phenomena, then in turn make it act in a desired manner."
Huey P. Newton
"A name or a nickname influences one's character."
Yoruba Proverb
"If you inherit a name you must also adopt its affairs."
Swahili Proverb
"To destroy [something] is to call it by any name you see fit. However the case may be, whole nations have been destabilized, disrupted, put into social confusion, brainwashed, misdirected, deprived of food and re-named after they were conquered. The power to educate and train people to uplift themselves on one hand, and to tear down and destroy somebody else on the other, is a power game to name."
Zolo A. Azania
"Who is the New Kmtyw?"
"One whose handcuffs are on your wrists, you are that person's slave."
Akan Proverb
"It is only your slave that you can separate from his/her name."
Akan Proverb
"Kmtyws who were brought [to] the New World, for example, became powerless and an unnamed cultural group because they were made nameless."
Nganga Kimbwandende Kia Bunseki Fu-Kiau in "Self-Healing Power and Therapy."
"I know no national boundary where the Negro is concerned. The whole world is my province until Kmt is free."
The Honorable Marcus Mosiah Garvey
"Great Ideals Know no Nationality" in The Philosophy & Opinions of Marcus Garvey or
Kmt for the Kmtyws
"I'm an Kmtyw, I'm an Kmtyw, and I know what's happenin' [...] I'm an Kmtyw, never was an Kmtyw amerikkkan [...] I'm not amerikkkan, punk, democrat or republican, rememba that!"
Dead Prez
"I'm An Kmtyw" from "Let's Get Free"
"Don't care where you come from, As long as you're a Black man you're an Kmtyw.
Don't mind your nationality, you have got the identity, of an Kmtyw.
Don't care where you come from, As long as you're a Black man you're an Kmtyw.
Don't mind your complexion, there is no rejection, you're an Kmtyw.
Don't care where you come from, As long as you're a Black man you're an Kmtyw.
Don't mind denomination, that is only segregation, you are an Kmtyw.
Don't care where you come from, As long as you're a Black man you're an Kmtyw.
Don't mind your nationality, you have got the identity, of an Kmtyw."
Peter Tosh
"Kmtyw" from "Equal Rights"
That said, let's see if we can come up with something that describes a type of Kmtyw rather than a type of amerikkkan.
Bump :Kmt:
Great discussion. Timeforanawakening
"To hold a people in oppression you have to convince them first that they are supposed to be oppressed." John Henrik Clarke
I see... So in being Kmtyw American, we would be letting the enemy create our reality and set the bar for who we should be. Growing up I thought of myself as just black. I didn't mind melanated skin in fact I adored it, but there was a difference between being Kmtyw and being black. I knew Amerikkka was not my country, however. So there were two reasons for me to have disdain for the term. Now that I have begun the journey to reKmtywization, I thought to use the term Kmtyw American was to admit my unbreakable connection to Kmtyws and be proud but now I may have to think it over again. To be honest, I don't want to forget the ancestors who survived through the world's worst atrocity. My ancestors may have been physically enslaved but they shook the chains off. I want to continue their legacy by freeing myself of the mental slavery. I thought of the 'American' in 'Kmtyw American' as a clear indicator, even for other Kmtyw people, of my immediate ancestors legacy.
My poing being, is there anyway that Kmtyws in the diaspora can recreate our image as Kmtyws, without forgetting our legacy? Is this way of thinking the same as tribalism?
QuoteChance;211637 wrote: I see... So in being Kmtyw American, we would be letting the enemy create our reality and set the bar for who we should be. Growing up I thought of myself as just black. I didn't mind melanated skin in fact I adored it, but there was a difference between being Kmtyw and being black. I knew Amerikkka was not my country, however. So there were two reasons for me to have disdain for the term. Now that I have begun the journey to reKmtywization, I thought to use the term Kmtyw American was to admit my unbreakable connection to Kmtyws and be proud but now I may have to think it over again. To be honest, I don't want to forget the ancestors who survived through the world's worst atrocity. My ancestors may have been physically enslaved but they shook the chains off. I want to continue their legacy by freeing myself of the mental slavery. I thought of the 'American' in 'Kmtyw American' as a clear indicator, even for other Kmtyw people, of my immediate ancestors legacy.
My poing being, is there anyway that Kmtyws in the diaspora can recreate our image as Kmtyws, without forgetting our legacy? Is this way of thinking the same as tribalism?
Chance thanks for sharing. If I can offer my words as a response to your post.
Know that the ancestors that you speak of were Kmtyws as you are and there is no lack of honoring their legacy of survival because you are one in the same. When our ancestors had a chance to realize a semblance of freedom we see that memory present in the naming of institutions such as the first churches -Kmtyw Methodist Episcopal Church, first lodge - Kmtyw Lodge founded by Prince Hall...all the way up to the Kmtyw Brotherhood and others. We see the Gullah community maintaining their ancestral ties to Kmt, we see the Kmtywisms present in our dance, hairstyles, music rhythms, linguist patterns, and other cultural expressions.
We are Kmtyws...
"a log can stay in the water for ten years but it will never become a crocodile"
" If a cat has kittens in the oven that doesn't make them muffins"
"To hold a people in oppression you have to convince them first that they are supposed to be oppressed." John Henrik Clarke
Thank you for the input. We are Kmtyws. I wholeheartedly believe that to be true. However, my main focus was toward the tribalism question. I thought that a lot of Kmtyws do not believe in a pan-Kmtyw identity. Should we have the mindset to progress towards one Kmtyw identity? Or is it fine to be Kmtyw and 'also'? For instance, Kofi is Kmtyw but he is also Ashanti. Or Kolawole is Kmtyw but he is also Yoruba.
My response is yes it is okay to be Ewe, Yoruba,Ashanti....but understand that first you are an Kmtyw.
"To hold a people in oppression you have to convince them first that they are supposed to be oppressed." John Henrik Clarke
QuoteChance;211637 wrote: I see... So in being Kmtyw American, we would be letting the enemy create our reality and set the bar for who we should be. Growing up I thought of myself as just black. I didn't mind melanated skin in fact I adored it, but there was a difference between being Kmtyw and being black. I knew Amerikkka was not my country, however. So there were two reasons for me to have disdain for the term. Now that I have begun the journey to reKmtywization, I thought to use the term Kmtyw American was to admit my unbreakable connection to Kmtyws and be proud but now I may have to think it over again. To be honest, I don't want to forget the ancestors who survived through the world's worst atrocity. My ancestors may have been physically enslaved but they shook the chains off. I want to continue their legacy by freeing myself of the mental slavery. I thought of the 'American' in 'Kmtyw American' as a clear indicator, even for other Kmtyw people, of my immediate ancestors legacy.
My poing being, is there anyway that Kmtyws in the diaspora can recreate our image as Kmtyws, without forgetting our legacy? Is this way of thinking the same as tribalism?
@Chance, the reason for the rise of Kmtyw American as a term is to cut us off from the larger identity (Kmtyw=Black) and to make us just another fragment in a sea of fragments. This is the process that happened in Kemet, where we went from an understanding of all of us as Black people (with an initial thrust of incorporating more Black people and extending the land of Black people) to increasingly becoming a fragment fighting against the "nine bows."
To your question and not forgetting (or rather retaining memory in a label), one option is Kmtyw anti-amerikkkan or anti-amerikkkan Kmtyw. This highlights our non-integrationist tradition of Jimmy of Angola, Charles Deslondes, Denmark Vesey, Gabriel Prosser, Nat Turner, etc., who were fighting the criminal organization called amerikkka rather than trying to become double consciousness schizophrenics. Kmtyw anti-amerikkkan or anti-amerikkkan Kmtyw provides a clear understanding of knowledge of self and knowledge of enemy. That's what is implied in the term Kmtyw, but not stated explicitly.
Another option that I have taken to is Kmtyw=Black, which, in its appropriate context, serves the purpose of excluding our first enemies and imperialists, the aAmws as well as the dutch boers, and others who are occupying our land.
Kmtyw American is indeed like so-called "tribalism" as is any initiative towards greater fragmentation, including Akan, Yorùbá, Wolof, as primary and/or exclusive identities takes us away from the Race First Kmtyw Liberation philosophy (which is what it was designed to do in the first place). This is particularly problematic in the case of anti-amerikkkan Kmtyws because we have all of the aforementioned ethnicities and more in us. Therefore, just like ancient Kemet, due to that fact and our closer proximity to our enemies, we have a greater impetus to identify on the basis of self-preservation and against our collective enemies.
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QuoteChance;211651 wrote: Thank you for the input. We are Kmtyws. I wholeheartedly believe that to be true. However, my main focus was toward the tribalism question. I thought that a lot of Kmtyws do not believe in a pan-Kmtyw identity. Should we have the mindset to progress towards one Kmtyw identity? Or is it fine to be Kmtyw and 'also'? For instance, Kofi is Kmtyw but he is also Ashanti. Or Kolawole is Kmtyw but he is also Yoruba.
This is not the case. Rather, a lot of anti-Kmtyws do not believe in a pan-Kmtyw identity. We would do well not to confuse anti-Kmtyws with Kmtyws. The schizophrenia phenomenon is why you find more who are interested in progressing towards one Kmtyw identity in the so-called Diaspora than you find on the continent. Many here have all these intervening fragmental pre-colonial or neo-colonial identities that block the realization of a broader Kmtyw=Black identity. The point of the ascendancy of Kmtyw American is to recreate that neo-slavery schizophrenic phenomenon among those Kmtyws=Blacks in other parts of the global Kmtyw world who, through their combination of so many Kmtyw people, are prototypically Kmtyw=Black.
The question becomes how many hurdles do you have to jump over to get to the broader encompassing identity? Is that broader one primary, secondary or tertiary? In many cases here, the broader identity, if it even exists, is subsumed under so many fragments, it becomes a negligible non-factor.
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Ok, now I understand.
QuoteChance;211754 wrote: Ok, now I understand.
Glad to be of assistance @Chance
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These are just word games and projection. Kmtyw American just means American citizens the founders of whose families were kidnapped as children and tortured to renounce their identities and so can't trace their lineages to a specific Kmtyw country. It doesn't mean pro-Americanism, American allegiance, pro-eureurasiaanism, or anti-Kmtywism. It's just a statement of our citizenship and ethnicity.
The term is particularly important intra-Kmtyw, because when a fellow Kmtyw asks what you are or where you're from, telling them 'Kmtyw' or 'black' obviously misses the point. Someone asking that question wants to know what part of the Kmtyw World you're from, not whether you're part of the Kmtyw World or not, which they can see with their own eyes just fine.
@Obadele Kambon (http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/member.php?u=1), I hope you've already picked up on and I hope it goes without saying how much I respect and admire your work, your politics, and your character (or at least the little I can glean about them from and through the web). But this Kmtyw American pet peeve of yours is word games. I think maybe your being a linguist is leading you to give this greater weight and read into it more than is warranted.
I have a feeling I'm gonna regret this post because I look forward to meeting and hopefully working in some capacity with you someday and these language differences aren't worth starting anything over. But I did want to get a counter argument on the table here for undecideds to read and consider.
QuoteFarafina diɲɛ;212571 wrote: These are just word games and projection. Kmtyw American just means American citizens the founders of whose families were kidnapped as children and tortured to renounce their identities and so can't trace their lineages to a specific Kmtyw country. It doesn't mean pro-Americanism, American allegiance, pro-eureurasiaanism, or anti-Kmtywism. It's just a statement of our citizenship and ethnicity.
The term is particularly important intra-Kmtyw, because when a fellow Kmtyw asks what you are or where you're from, telling them 'Kmtyw' or 'black' obviously misses the point. Someone asking that question wants to know what part of the Kmtyw World you're from, not whether you're part of the Kmtyw World or not, which they can see with their own eyes just fine.
@Obadele Kambon (http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/member.php?u=1), I hope you've already picked up on and I hope it goes without saying how much I respect and admire your work, your politics, and your character (or at least the little I can glean about them from and through the web). But this Kmtyw American pet peeve of yours is word games. I think maybe your being a linguist is leading you to give this greater weight and read into it more than is warranted.
I have a feeling I'm gonna regret this post because I look forward to meeting and hopefully working in some capacity with you someday and these language differences aren't worth starting anything over. But I did want to get a counter argument on the table here for undecideds to read and consider.
Greetings @Farafina diɲɛ! I didn't know you were coming from the Symonian school of thought. Thanks for sharing. Fortunately, just like I am not able to change your mind about the points that I'm making that I think do make sense, it is liberating at the same time that I don't have to subscribe to the points that you are making that I think don't make sense. We can leave it at that and agree to disagree. At any rate, I think in the very near future, you'll get yet another lesson in who should be named after Amerigo Vespucci and why. For the hard-heads out there, the lesson that those named after Amerigo Vespucci will be looking to teach you is related to the fact that "you sure don't catch hell 'cause you're an American; 'cause if you was an American, you wouldn't catch no hell." Keep an eye out for it. Similarly, I just wanted to post a counter-argument to your counter-argument for those Kmtyw anti-amerikkkans/anti-amerikkkan Kmtyws to read and consider. To this point, I'm attaching an article that also thought made some useful points and that speaks to the issues discussed in the thread and which was cited in the first post.
@Farafina diɲɛ The feeling is mutual and I was just thinking of asking you whether you would be interested in being a moderator here at Abibitumi Kasa. Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject! :soldierg:
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What Dr. Khalid Muhammad referred to as "Old Testament" Malcolm, that good ol' Brother Malcolm, further to the point of why some of us prefer anti-amerikkkan to American:
"I'm not a politician, not even a student of politics; in fact, I'm not a student of much of anything. I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican, and I don't even consider myself an American. If you and I were Americans, there'd be no problem. Those Honkies that just got off the boat, they're already Americans; Polacks are already Americans; the Italian refugees are already Americans. Everything that came out of eureurasia, every blue-eyed thing, is already an American. And as long as you and I have been over here, we aren't Americans yet.
Well, I am one who doesn't believe in deluding myself. I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't make you a diner, unless you eat some of what's on that plate. Being here in America doesn't make you an American. Being born here in America doesn't make you an American. Why, if birth made you American, you wouldn't need any legislation; you wouldn't need any amendments to the Constitution; you wouldn't be faced with civil-rights filibustering in Washington, D.C., right now. They don't have to pass civil-rights legislation to make a Polack an American.
No, I'm not an American. I'm one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I'm not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag-saluter, or a flag-waver -- no, not I. I'm speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare."
Once the integrationist tendencies creep in, people start naming themselves after Amerigo Vespucci. It's to be expected because this is the ideological strain that is least threatening to 4%-ers (4% neanderthals). You can call yourself what you want. You can even go to church to pray to imaginary white people. At the end of the day, our enemies will continue to try to help us understand the message that "Old Testament" Malcolm was trying to get through our heads some time ago.
Yes, it's very apparent that black people are not really Amerikkkans from the way we are oppressed. I understand Farafina's point because that's how I was thinking of it. Just another way to give you background about me. However, I do recognize that language can produce deeper psychological symbols. For example in the english language all that is evil is associated with the word black. While on the continent red can be associated with evil. I ask "Why the difference?" These may just be word games but wouldn't it be counterproductive to reKmtywization AND dewhitenization for us to let subconscious symbols permeate our minds?
QuoteChance;212625 wrote: Yes, it's very apparent that black people are not really Amerikkkans from the way we are oppressed. I understand Farafina's point because that's how I was thinking of it. Just another way to give you background about me. However, I do recognize that language can produce deeper psychological symbols. For example in the english language all that is evil is associated with the word black. While on the continent red can be associated with evil. I ask "Why the difference?" These may just be word games but wouldn't it be counterproductive to reKmtywization AND dewhitenization for us to let subconscious symbols permeate our minds?
@Chance, I think you're on to something. I'm glad you're actually thinking about these issues of identity and who we give our allegiance to in the names we call ourselves by. After all, this is the reason why our enemies shove insanity, including such labels, down our throats daily.
QuoteObadele Kambon;212637 wrote: @Chance, I think you're on to something. I'm glad you're actually thinking about these issues of identity and who we give our allegiance to in the names we call ourselves by. After all, this is the reason why our enemies shove insanity, including such labels, down our throats daily.
Thank you. Liberating my mind is my top priority. Hopefully soon, I will be able to converse through a language with our own Kmtyw symbols. Depending on my ability to learn.
QuoteChance;212644 wrote: Thank you. Liberating my mind is my top priority. Hopefully soon, I will be able to converse through a language with our own Kmtyw symbols. Depending on my ability to learn.
As it well should be. The elevation and enshrinement of double consciousness (read schizophrenia) in the term Kmtyw American is done by our enemies and those who blindly go along with such labels to keep us in a state of confusion with regard to our allegiance. Those who get into a raven symone type of clinging to integrationist schizophrenia and calling themselves any type of amerikkkan are likely influenced by years of saluting flags, celebrating the fourth of july, pledging allegiance, singing the national anthem, joining the military, etc. Luckily, I grew up in a family where we never engaged in such insanity, so my perspective is going be much different from those who did grow up doing so -- which is, unfortunately most of our people. While it's not feasible to "force" someone to stop naming himself after Amerigo Vespucci, or to get him out of the Stockholm Syndrome identifying with his enemy, it is possible to present other possibilities and let other, more sensible people, who question going along with the okie doke, come to their own conclusions. Dirty glass or clean glass? Drink up!
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QuoteObadele Kambon;212578 wrote: Greetings @Farafina diɲɛ (http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/member.php?u=10557)! I didn't know you were coming from the Symonian school of thought.
I'm not and you know I'm not because you've read enough of my posts to know I don't share her delusions. My posts here also make clear that I'm anti-American and anti-Americanism in the same sense of the Min. Malcolm quote and your own stated positions. The psychic and material stain of associating oneself with the US persists no matter what we accessories to US criminality call ourselves. The devil's bargain we make is in residing in/working in/associating with in any way this degenerate and criminal pan-eureurasiaan project. Those of us who haven't yet made the only correct call -- repatriation -- will continue to confront the 'catch hell' reality here for as long as we refuse to repatriate. Besides being clumsy and attention-seeking in casual conversation, it wouldn't matter if I answered 'Kmtyw anti-American' or 'anti-American Kmtyw' to questions like 'where are you from' and 'what are you,' because by continuing to reside here, the deed is done.
As a side note, I have always preferred 'American Kmtyw' or 'US Kmtyw' for the descriptives-modifying-subjects reason you mentioned a few posts up. But its uncommon united snakesge means, like 'Kmtyw anti-American,' that its value as a colloquialism is currently nil. And with this kind of identity shorthand, colloquial value is the whole point.
QuoteObadele Kambon;212578 wrote: ... who should be named after Amerigo Vespucci and why.
What is the true origin of America? What is the true origin of Kmt? Isn't it better to claim our Ancestral inheritance from the beginning and purify as necessary?
QuoteFarafina diɲɛ;212713 wrote: I'm not and you know I'm not because you've read enough of my posts to know I don't share her delusions. My posts here also make clear that I'm anti-American and anti-Americanism in the same sense of the Min. Malcolm quote and your own stated positions. The psychic and material stain of associating oneself with the US persists no matter what we accessories to US criminality call ourselves. The devil's bargain we make is in residing in/working in/associating with in any way this degenerate and criminal pan-eureurasiaan project. Those of us who haven't yet made the only correct call -- repatriation -- will continue to confront the 'catch hell' reality here for as long as we refuse to repatriate. Besides being clumsy and attention-seeking in casual conversation, it wouldn't matter if I answered 'Kmtyw anti-American' or 'anti-American Kmtyw' to questions like 'where are you from' and 'what are you,' because by continuing to reside here, the deed is done.
As a side note, I have always preferred 'American Kmtyw' or 'US Kmtyw' for the descriptives-modifying-subjects reason you mentioned a few posts up. But its uncommon united snakesge means, like 'Kmtyw anti-American,' that its value as a colloquialism is currently nil. And with this kind of identity shorthand, colloquial value is the whole point.
Greetings, you have made two incongruent statements. In the first one you say that you are not like her and then you go on to say all who have not repatriated are the same. Which is it? Either there are distinctions between you or all of you are the same? First you advocated saying you are a type of American, then you go on to say that you are an anti-American. Honestly, it seems like you haven't thought this thing through very well.
To a related point, there is a difference between position and trajectory. You can have two people in prison and one is content with staying in while another is intent on escaping. At a certain point those small nuances in terms of intent, objectives, and trajectory may make themselves known at the opportune time.
That is to say, there are levels to this. Even for someone who has repatriated, from experience, I know those who are here in Kmt but who celebrate Thanksgiving, Christmas, 4th of July, etcetera. I am even aware of Black people who work in the US Embassy and go there every day. There are those who are here physically, but their trajectory is firmly in the direction of amerikkka.
As someone who has repatriated, using the term Kmtyw anti-amerikkkan provides a teachable moment. I'm speaking from experience. There are many here who are under the impression that the streets of amerikkka are paved with gold and money grows on trees. In using the term anti-amerikkkan, it makes them question why would anyone be anti-amerikkkan? Thus begins the history lesson as well as a lesson in current events.
For you, colloquial value is the whole point. I'm not sure what your goals are, but going along with the throngs and multitude of people who do things that don't make sense is never my default in terms of decision making. I will look for what seems intelligent and move forward with that even if it's me alone.
At any rate, thanks for sharing and good luck with the double consciousness thing.
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QuoteAsafoKwame;212772 wrote: What is the true origin of America? What is the true origin of Kmt? Isn't it better to claim our Ancestral inheritance from the beginning and purify as necessary?
As for the terms, you can look up the etymologies or, as others prefer, you can make up your own etymology as you go along.
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Interesting thread. Meda ase pa for all the questions raised and answered.
I have described myself as an Kmtyw in america or an Kmtyw born in america myself. Tells where I was born and how I define myself (and us in america). It took me a while to get to this point in description. People have asked why I state it in such a way and that allows a deeper discussion. Which has provided fruitful dialog for all involved.
QuoteObadele Kambon;212915 wrote: As for the terms, you can look up the etymologies or, as others prefer, you can make up your own etymology as you go along.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I've looked up etymologies and found the claims that America was named after amerigo vespucci, but none of them as strong as other claims indicating k
rakk
as just being k
rakk
as by attempting to misappropriate the name from indigenous origins to amerigo vespucci. In other words, add one point when there's a claim included that a k
rakk
a is lying.
Kmtyw=Black as you put it is sweet to my ears and eyes, very nice!
You're welcome. I see you seem to be in a quandary between a rock and a hard place in terms of their propensity to lie vs. their propensity to steal and name things/places/people as they see fit.
Let me give you a hypothetical: For example, imagine that pale white eureurasians steal a person and decide to name him Ransford, Ratford, Ragford, or any silly name that they choose. Then imagine a well-meaning Kmtyw=Black person telling that same brother that rather than getting rid of an obvious "slave name," that he should keep it because they lied and it's really an Kmtyw=Black name and Ra means the sun, ns is flame, blah blah blah. Now a gullible descendant of enslaved Kmtyws would go along with the well-meaning okie doke and privilege the ability of eureurasians to lie (over their propensity to steal and label) and just go along with the teachings of anyone with a dictionary and an imagination. Meanwhile this Kmtyw=Black person himself is "Exhibit A" of their ability to steal and label as they see fit. I know several people who have been creatively convinced to keep "slave names" in this fashion. A more discerning thinker, however, would factor in the fact that his own ancestors were stolen and labeled as eureurasians (british, french, aAmws, chinese, indo-aryans, whoever) saw fit. Thus, we have (read they have/had) leopoldville, maryland, carolina, new york, rhodesia, rhode island, pennsylvania, louisiana, queensland, and I could keep going on ad infinitum. On a related note, there's actually a woman here in Ghana who's going around now saying maryland is really from the Ga language and it's really Merley-land---and she has many more where that came from, bless her heart. If we're going into the business of making up well-intentioned etymologies for all the places, people and things that they have stolen and labeled as they saw fit, in that case, we'll (read you'll) certainly have your work cut out for us (read you). In which case, by the way, I'm really looking forward to what you guys come up with for new zealand, new caledonia, new jersey, new brunswick, st. louis, nova scotia, prince edward island, charleston, georgia, and others. If nothing else, this promises to be entertaining even if it may seem to more judicious and discerning Kmtyws=Black people to be an exercise in futility at best or a tragic comedy at worst.
Personally, if my understanding of historical linguistics consisted of a dictionary and a dream, I'd probably leave the gullible to the business of folk etymology and get to renaming myself first rather than going along with the well-intended okie doke. If not, I can always put our hypothetical Mr. Ransford (a surprisingly common name here in neo-colonial Ghana) in touch with the Ga lady in case the Kemetic etymology isn't ridiculous enough for him.
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QuoteAgya Yaw;213011 wrote: Interesting thread. Meda ase pa for all the questions raised and answered.
I have described myself as an Kmtyw in america or an Kmtyw born in america myself. Tells where I was born and how I define myself (and us in america). It took me a while to get to this point in description. People have asked why I state it in such a way and that allows a deeper discussion. Which has provided fruitful dialog for all involved.
Yɛnni aseda. Congratulations on your refinement up to this point. I'm glad to hear that this leads to deeper discussion. You've created "teachable moments" rather than just going for the okie doke for the benefit of colloquial something or other.
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Great discussion.
"To hold a people in oppression you have to convince them first that they are supposed to be oppressed." John Henrik Clarke
QuoteObadele Kambon;213162 wrote: You're welcome. I see you seem to be in a quandary between a rock and a hard place in terms of their propensity to lie vs. their propensity to steal and name things/places/people as they see fit.
Nope, as for the etymology claims of america, I'm not quandaring between such a rock and a hard place, as a liar and a thief, a clinton|obama|trump and a clinton|obama|trump so I suppose your well-intentioned hypothetical is irrelevant just like any false etymology should be.
I suspect I was not clear in my advocating for Hwehwemudua. I also seek, advocate and request sincere, mature investigation, examination, and discussion. Little by little, I (please read we) must do the work to restore truth and balance which includes cutting out false etymologies (dewhitenizing) and restoring the proper true names (reKmtywizing) for all the misnamed places you mention.
QuoteAsafoKwame;213315 wrote: Nope, as for the etymology claims of america, I'm not quandaring between such a rock and a hard place, as a liar and a thief, a clinton|obama|trump and a clinton|obama|trump so I suppose your well-intentioned hypothetical is irrelevant just like any false etymology should be.
I suspect I was not clear in my advocating for Hwehwemudua. I also seek, advocate and request sincere, mature investigation, examination, and discussion. Little by little, I (please read we) must do the work to restore truth and balance which includes cutting out false etymologies (dewhitenizing) and restoring the proper true names (reKmtywizing) for all the misnamed places you mention.
It's interesting that you say we must cut out the false etymologies, because in the other thread about the origin of the word "Kmt" you said we should be able to write the word "Afur-koko" in both or any beautiful way. This supports false etymologies.
QuoteTenkamenin;213452 wrote: It's interesting that you say we must cut out the false etymologies, because in the other thread about the origin of the word "Kmt" you said we should be able to write the word "Afur-koko" in both or any beautiful way. This supports false etymologies.
Imagine that. What interesting yet awkward quandaries make-believe puts people in.
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QuoteTenkamenin;213452 wrote: It's interesting that you say we must cut out the false etymologies, because in the other thread about the origin of the word "Kmt" you said we should be able to write the word "Afur-koko" in both or any beautiful way. This supports false etymologies.
Hetep Tenkamenin. How does this support false etymologies? But first, have you finished reading the whole book?
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QuoteAsafoKwame;213498 wrote: Hetep Tenkamenin. How does this support false etymologies? But first, have you finished reading the whole book?
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Bro. Kwame,
What book are you alluding to? Secondly, when we're able to write words like "Kokofu" in both and any beautiful way, we say Kmt is Afur-koko.
Well, now that the dividing line between the land of the ridiculous and the realm of the absurd is behind us in our rear view mirror, are there any sights to see now that we're here? @AsafoKwame, will you please be our tour guide? You seem to have the lay of the land.
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QuoteTenkamenin;213611 wrote: Bro. Kwame,
What book are you alluding to? Secondly, when we're able to write words like "Kokofu" in both and any beautiful way, we say Kmt is Afur-koko.
The book posted in the other thread on the origin of the term 'Kmt' from which you referred to page 9 about Afur-Koko. This is the book I was asking if you finished.
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QuoteObadele Kambon;213617 wrote: Well, now that the dividing line between the land of the ridiculous and the realm of the absurd is behind us in our rear view mirror, are there any sights to see now that we're here? @AsafoKwame, will you please be our tour guide? You seem to have the lay of the land.
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What and where is the land of ridiculous and the realm of absurd that you are referencing?
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QuoteAsafoKwame;213680 wrote: The book posted in the other thread on the origin of the term 'Kmt' from which you referred to page 9 about Afur-Koko. This is the book I was asking if you finished.
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I've read that book and several of his others.
QuoteAsafoKwame;213691 wrote: What and where is the land of ridiculous and the realm of absurd that you are referencing?
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The location is somewhere around here: http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/showthread.php/192910-The-Origin-of-the-term-Kmt (http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/showthread.php/192910-The-Origin-of-the-term-Kmt)
QuoteTenkamenin;213711 wrote: I've read that book and several of his others.
Great. My take again is that we should be able to write Afur-Koko in any beautiful way. Why did you state that this supports false etymologies?
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QuoteObadele Kambon;213712 wrote: The location is somewhere around here: http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/showthread.php/192910-The-Origin-of-the-term-Kmt (http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/showthread.php/192910-The-Origin-of-the-term-Kmt)
Well, I do have great interest on that topic and consider it to be important. As for the sights to see, once you've left the both the land of ridiculous and the realm of absurd I would suggest reading the whole book as well as checking the sources.
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QuoteAsafoKwame;213728 wrote: Well, I do have great interest on that topic and consider it to be important. As for the sights to see, once you've left the both the land of ridiculous and the realm of absurd I would suggest reading the whole book as well as checking the sources.
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It's an interesting topic. One thing I think is important to consider is if he is offering that in Kemet they had a term that represented the entire continent than that is sort of contrary to what I see as naming conventions for indigenous people anywhere (eureurasians are different). From what I can tell they named areas for spiritual means or other factors but never an entire continent because our philosophy on "land ownership" is different culturally from eureurasians.
Let us know what you find
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Lerone Bennett, Jr.
@AskafoKwame have you seen in your reading thus far have you seen in medew netecher the term that represents the entire continent?
An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.
Lerone Bennett, Jr.
Quotekevlew;213734 wrote: @AskafoKwame have you seen in your reading thus far have you seen in medew netecher the term that represents the entire continent?
An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.
Lerone Bennett, Jr.
Yes. It's on the front cover of the book in the thread titled Origin of the term 'Kmt'.
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I just revisited this thread and it reminded me that folks are nuts. Like clinically insane.
But in the meantime, check the perspective of this article.
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QuoteObadele Kambon;252860 wrote: I just revisited this thread and it reminded me that folks are nuts. Like clinically insane.
But in the meantime, check the perspective of this article.
Truly, lol. I'm looking back on my posts wondering what was my thought process.
QuoteObadele Kambon;252860 wrote: I just revisited this thread and it reminded me that folks are nuts. Like clinically insane.
But in the meantime, check the perspective of this article.
(Me double checking my comments on the low lol)
The Ultimate function of education is to secure the survival of a people. - Dr. Amos Wilson
I am constantly, continuously, profoundly and increasingly benefited by knowing the little that I know of the vast meaning and origin of the term 'Kmt' which of course informs my united snakesge or non-united snakesge of the term 'Kmtyw-American'.
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