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Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230266
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 24, 2017, 11:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-N2Iy2F3zw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-N2Iy2F3zw)
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230269
Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 24, 2017, 11:48 AM
QuoteObadele Kambon;230266 wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-N2Iy2F3zw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-N2Iy2F3zw)
This must be the lecture you mentioned during the Chinweizu talk yesterday.  Morning commute listening....

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Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230282
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 24, 2017, 01:21 PM
One and the same. I look forward to your feedback.

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Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230299
Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 24, 2017, 02:11 PM
QuoteObadele Kambon;230282 wrote: One and the same. I look forward to your feedback.

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Ok I saw this presentation previously uploaded. I think one showed the persons asking the questions.

One of the key points is that most are not seeing the information through Kmtyw lenses.  You touched on a key point and that is in order to fully understand what, why, how of ancient pan-Kmtyw formulations it is vital to examine the texts for what they said and draw conclusions but don't impose a recent foreign ideology backwards and try to critique.  The starting reference has to be from the original source.  And from there make the analysis if historically this coincides again with the more recent definition of pan-Kmtywism put forth by H.S. Williams, George Padmore, C.L.R. James and others.    I think what is missed is looking at the actions and saying were the actions in line with the definition put forth yes or no.  Did the actions move toward the goals yes or no.  On the other hand did the inaction move toward the departure from the stated goals? Yes or no?  From these two approaches we can assess not only Kemet but our individual selves in our daily actions.

I like to use Haiti as a more recent example.  Did they essentially do the same as they did in Kemet?  Come together as blacks to fight a common enemy and seek to establish a black sovereignty?  Did they say themselves why they did what they did and what the goal was. And afterwards did they state clearly that it was to be a black nation and welcomed all blacks to come there to it?  Is this a historical similarity that we can see in the texts of Kemet? It had nothing to do with capitalism or controlling the wealth from a modern ideology framework. It had to do with black sovereignty and how to achieve and establish it. This is in line with the ancient and modern understanding of pan-Kmtywism in my understanding.  

What to do about the wealth and the occupiers of Lower Kmt (directional reference intentional with the theme of listening to the voice of our ancestors.  I think the continued use of these terms push the goal of mental sovereignty).   If someone breaks into my house, or forces themselves in. I would do everything in my power to remove or eliminate that intruder by any means necessary because there would be an imminent, perpetual threat against my family.  Now say this intruder somehow managed to take over say my kitchen and living room.  I still live in my house just I can't get what I want from the kitchen.  A few generations later the occupiers now claim that they are the original inhabitants of my kitchen and have an inheritance of that space.  They removed all the original silverware, spices, wallpaper, new stove, flooring....made it "theirs". Meanwhile my descendants, because they were not taught how the kitchen was taken away do not see them as enemies or illegal occupants of my house. Now they go to form a Union to guard against my next door neighbors.  Would not you think they occupiers would have a different agenda to protect the kitchen only? And the house it is in only because it happens to be in the house?  If say my neighbor wants to steal from the living room, do you think the kitchen occupiers would have my back really?  The only way to ensure the entire house is operating in the best interest of the majority of the occupants is to remove the invaders descendants and reclaim the kitchen as part of the entire house.  Isn't this what Kemet did? What Haiti did? Are there pan-Kmtyw lessons to gain from these actions to meet the goals set forth in the modern definition?

As for not pouring libations....this really got me.  Here again is that deadly "=" sign.  Libations does not equal prayer.   This is a major miseducation, diseducation, lack of historical reference.  Libations again is a Kmtyw cultural connection dating all the way back to Kemet. It has nothing to do with religion.  

From the questions it is evident that we are not using research of our history to solve our own problems.  As a matter of fact culture should solve problems.  We saw this in The Man Who
Saved The Desert, Coconut Revolution and the other documentaries at IAS. But it seems we are not seeing the history of Kemet as a historical lesson to solve our current problems. All history is current as Dr. Clarke alway said. He also said History is a Clock.  

 I could really go on and on....Meda wo ase for sharing these talks.  It is a great opportunity to really think.

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230301
Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 24, 2017, 02:22 PM
Can we do like they tell us on airplanes and put the mask on ourselves first before we try to save others?

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Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230303
Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 24, 2017, 02:33 PM
Maybe try a different approach.  Let's see how many will relate better if asked about pan-eureurasian acts.  

1.  Explain the rationale for the Berlin conference from the perspective of a eureurasian. Was this pan-eureurasianism?
2. What were the stated goals of this conference?
3. Why were no Kmtyws invited?
4. Was the goal achieved?
5. Who benefitted from the conference? Was this a goal of pan-eureurasianism?

6.  What was the idea behind "the United States of America"?
7. Were Kmtyws included in the drafting of this Pan-Eureurasian model?
8.  When the goals of the Berlin Conference and the formation of any eureurasian colony is threatened, what do the eureurasians do? Do they come together for a common goal against their aggressors? Do they use force sometimes and sometimes diplomacy intra and internationally?

I am being sarcastic of course but for some reason we can understand this better....Stockholm
Syndrome?

Ok got me fired up this morning.  Woosah...

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230378
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 24, 2017, 11:22 PM
Quotekevlew;230299 wrote: Ok I saw this presentation previously uploaded. I think one showed the persons asking the questions.

One of the key points is that most are not seeing the information through Kmtyw lenses.  You touched on a key point and that is in order to fully understand what, why, how of ancient pan-Kmtyw formulations it is vital to examine the texts for what they said and draw conclusions but don't impose a recent foreign ideology backwards and try to critique.  The starting reference has to be from the original source.  And from there make the analysis if historically this coincides again with the more recent definition of pan-Kmtywism put forth by H.S. Williams, George Padmore, C.L.R. James and others.    I think what is missed is looking at the actions and saying were the actions in line with the definition put forth yes or no.  Did the actions move toward the goals yes or no.  On the other hand did the inaction move toward the departure from the stated goals? Yes or no?  From these two approaches we can assess not only Kemet but our individual selves in our daily actions.

I like to use Haiti as a more recent example.  Did they essentially do the same as they did in Kemet?  Come together as blacks to fight a common enemy and seek to establish a black sovereignty?  Did they say themselves why they did what they did and what the goal was. And afterwards did they state clearly that it was to be a black nation and welcomed all blacks to come there to it?  Is this a historical similarity that we can see in the texts of Kemet? It had nothing to do with capitalism or controlling the wealth from a modern ideology framework. It had to do with black sovereignty and how to achieve and establish it. This is in line with the ancient and modern understanding of pan-Kmtywism in my understanding.  

What to do about the wealth and the occupiers of Lower Kmt (directional reference intentional with the theme of listening to the voice of our ancestors.  I think the continued use of these terms push the goal of mental sovereignty).   If someone breaks into my house, or forces themselves in. I would do everything in my power to remove or eliminate that intruder by any means necessary because there would be an imminent, perpetual threat against my family.  Now say this intruder somehow managed to take over say my kitchen and living room.  I still live in my house just I can't get what I want from the kitchen.  A few generations later the occupiers now claim that they are the original inhabitants of my kitchen and have an inheritance of that space.  They removed all the original silverware, spices, wallpaper, new stove, flooring....made it "theirs". Meanwhile my descendants, because they were not taught how the kitchen was taken away do not see them as enemies or illegal occupants of my house. Now they go to form a Union to guard against my next door neighbors.  Would not you think they occupiers would have a different agenda to protect the kitchen only? And the house it is in only because it happens to be in the house?  If say my neighbor wants to steal from the living room, do you think the kitchen occupiers would have my back really?  The only way to ensure the entire house is operating in the best interest of the majority of the occupants is to remove the invaders descendants and reclaim the kitchen as part of the entire house.  Isn't this what Kemet did? What Haiti did? Are there pan-Kmtyw lessons to gain from these actions to meet the goals set forth in the modern definition?

As for not pouring libations....this really got me.  Here again is that deadly "=" sign.  Libations does not equal prayer.   This is a major miseducation, diseducation, lack of historical reference.  Libations again is a Kmtyw cultural connection dating all the way back to Kemet. It has nothing to do with religion.  

From the questions it is evident that we are not using research of our history to solve our own problems.  As a matter of fact culture should solve problems.  We saw this in The Man Who
Saved The Desert, Coconut Revolution and the other documentaries at IAS. But it seems we are not seeing the history of Kemet as a historical lesson to solve our current problems. All history is current as Dr. Clarke alway said. He also said History is a Clock.  

 I could really go on and on....Meda wo ase for sharing these talks.  It is a great opportunity to really think.

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles
I previously spoke on this topic in Nigeria two years ago. It's the basis of the book that I'm working on now. This was the talk that I gave on the 30th of March. I like your analogy. I think from the question-and-answer session you can see clearly why we need reinforcements on this side of the water. Unfortunately those who have sense tend not to repatriate and those who are here I'll leave it for you to finish that statement. Interestingly, one week to the day after this presentation I had to sit through a Christian pastor giving prayers and two or three church songs sung right in the middle of Kmtyw studies. So my colleagues started looking at me to see what my reaction would be.

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Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230379
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 24, 2017, 11:26 PM
Quotekevlew;230303 wrote: Maybe try a different approach.  Let's see how many will relate better if asked about pan-eureurasian acts.  

1.  Explain the rationale for the Berlin conference from the perspective of a eureurasian. Was this pan-eureurasianism?
2. What were the stated goals of this conference?
3. Why were no Kmtyws invited?
4. Was the goal achieved?
5. Who benefitted from the conference? Was this a goal of pan-eureurasianism?

6.  What was the idea behind "the United States of America"?
7. Were Kmtyws included in the drafting of this Pan-Eureurasian model?
8.  When the goals of the Berlin Conference and the formation of any eureurasian colony is threatened, what do the eureurasians do? Do they come together for a common goal against their aggressors? Do they use force sometimes and sometimes diplomacy intra and internationally?

I am being sarcastic of course but for some reason we can understand this better....Stockholm
Syndrome?

Ok got me fired up this morning.  Woosah...

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles
Well, your suggestion seems to implicitly have the notion that these people could be changed with logic. They have made their decisions. They are not interested in Black survival. Rather, like domesticated animals they simply seek to get whatever hand-me-downs that their masters will give them, ideology, Religion, genes, Etc. One of the main takeaways from this presentation for me was what happens when Kmtyws are compromised. This is in the sense that they have white ideologies, white religions, white genetics, and other various forms of infiltration. Being compromised makes it such that when the best interest of Black people comes to the fore the whiteness that has been inserted inside of them rears its ugly head to defend itself. Thus, we need generations of Kmtyws who are not so compromised.

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Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230380
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 24, 2017, 11:27 PM
Quotekevlew;230301 wrote: Can we do like they tell us on airplanes and put the mask on ourselves first before we try to save others?

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles
I'm down, but unfortunately many of my colleagues are not.

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Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230381
Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 24, 2017, 11:35 PM
QuoteObadele Kambon;230379 wrote: Well, your suggestion seems to implicitly have the notion that these people could be changed with logic. They have made their decisions. They are not interested in Black survival. Rather, like domesticated animals they simply seek to get whatever hand-me-downs that their masters will give them, ideology, Religion, genes, Etc. One of the main takeaways from this presentation for me was what happens when Kmtyws are compromised. This is in the sense that they have white ideologies, white religions, white genetics, and other various forms of infiltration. Being compromised makes it such that when the best interest of Black people comes to the fore the whiteness that has been inserted inside of them rears its ugly head to defend itself. Thus, we need generations of Kmtyws who are not so compromised.

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The race for the mind...
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230382
Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 24, 2017, 11:45 PM
QuoteObadele Kambon;230378 wrote: I previously spoke on this topic in Nigeria two years ago. It's the basis of the book that I'm working on now. This was the talk that I gave on the 30th of March. I like your analogy. I think from the question-and-answer session you can see clearly why we need reinforcements on this side of the water. Unfortunately those who have sense tend not to repatriate and those who are here I'll leave it for you to finish that statement. Interestingly, one week to the day after this presentation I had to sit through a Christian pastor giving prayers and two or three church songs sung right in the middle of Kmtyw studies. So my colleagues started looking at me to see what my reaction would be.

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Mission is the get to the students early so they challenge the institutional ignorance and its gatekeepers.....most of them are cooked!   I can tell from some of the grad students there that the knowledge is having an impact if not only a few.  The young ones in the school will be the future.     It Is as Dr. Amos Wilson says that when the alien spirit is offended the host will come to its defense even at its own demise.  

Interesting they would look at you to see your response.  I get that as well in some scenarios....like when I am out and someone says the N word or B word....around holiday times...etc etc...that means people have a sense of something is not as it should be.
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230383
Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 24, 2017, 11:49 PM
Quotekevlew;230382 wrote: Mission is the get to the students early so they challenge the institutional ignorance and its gatekeepers.....most of them are cooked!   I can tell from some of the grad students there that the knowledge is having an impact if not only a few.  The young ones in the school will be the future.     It Is as Dr. Amos Wilson says that when the alien spirit is offended the host will come to its defense even at its own demise.  

Interesting they would look at you to see your response.  I get that as well in some scenarios....like when I am out and someone says the N word or B word....around holiday times...etc etc...that means people have a sense of something is not as it should be.
Also, can't wait for that book.  I actually started looking for the author you quoted in the presentation about Pan-Kmtywism and Kemet to see if he is available.  It looks like he is at Coppin State in Baltimore, MD.  Maybe virtual reinforcements is the strategy to use....(method to my madness)  Scholars from abroad who have not repatriated but are equipped to support the work virtually...if we make this information available to the public maybe we can make an impact that way....
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230385
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 24, 2017, 11:56 PM
Quotekevlew;230381 wrote: The race for the mind...
Exactly! As my father says, the first one to the mind is the winner.

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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 24, 2017, 11:58 PM
Quotekevlew;230382 wrote: Mission is the get to the students early so they challenge the institutional ignorance and its gatekeepers.....most of them are cooked!   I can tell from some of the grad students there that the knowledge is having an impact if not only a few.  The young ones in the school will be the future.     It Is as Dr. Amos Wilson says that when the alien spirit is offended the host will come to its defense even at its own demise.  

Interesting they would look at you to see your response.  I get that as well in some scenarios....like when I am out and someone says the N word or B word....around holiday times...etc etc...that means people have a sense of something is not as it should be.
Yes, you are their externalized conscience.

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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 24, 2017, 11:59 PM
Quotekevlew;230383 wrote: Also, can't wait for that book.  I actually started looking for the author you quoted in the presentation about Pan-Kmtywism and Kemet to see if he is available.  It looks like he is at Coppin State in Baltimore, MD.  Maybe virtual reinforcements is the strategy to use....(method to my madness)  Scholars from abroad who have not repatriated but are equipped to support the work virtually...if we make this information available to the public maybe we can make an impact that way....
Which scholar? Better than nothing!

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Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 25, 2017, 02:10 AM
QuoteObadele Kambon;230387 wrote: Which scholar? Better than nothing!

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I mixed lectures. I was talking about Dr. Kwame Nantambu

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Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230445
Post by: Obibini on Apr 25, 2017, 10:27 AM
QuoteObadele Kambon;230266 wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-N2Iy2F3zw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-N2Iy2F3zw)
Yes. I've seen this before. It was great watching it again. I enjoy Dr. Obadele Kambon's lecture videos. I share them with lots of prople. Thank you.

KNOWing is better than beLIEving.
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230456
Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 25, 2017, 11:57 AM
QuoteObibini;230445 wrote: Yes. I've seen this before. It was great watching it again. I enjoy Dr. Obadele Kambon's lecture videos. I share them with lots of prople. Thank you.

KNOWing is better than beLIEving.
Interesting idea just popped in my mind.  Would you be interested in doing post lecture discussions here on aK on the various subjects presented in the videos?  I am thinking it would be our virtual round table/study group type thing where we give our feedback or maybe dig for further information on the subjects.

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230472
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 25, 2017, 01:26 PM
QuoteObibini;230445 wrote: Yes. I've seen this before. It was great watching it again. I enjoy Dr. Obadele Kambon's lecture videos. I share them with lots of prople. Thank you.

KNOWing is better than beLIEving.
Me nso, meda ase

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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 25, 2017, 01:27 PM
Quotekevlew;230456 wrote: Interesting idea just popped in my mind.  Would you be interested in doing post lecture discussions here on aK on the various subjects presented in the videos?  I am thinking it would be our virtual round table/study group type thing where we give our feedback or maybe dig for further information on the subjects.

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles
I'm down

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Post by: Keyinde_Shabaka on Apr 25, 2017, 03:39 PM
Wow.....I don't even know where to start.

Once again, GREAT talk/lecture that fell on minds that were not ready to receive it because they still haven't exorcised the inner Eureurasian out of themselves. Did the sister essentially say "leave prayer in church and don't bring it to an academic presentation?" I wonder would she make that point had someone stood up and started praying to Krakka - Kkkhrist or Ar-rab Allah ? Probably not... Libation is NOT prayer, it's a practice/characteristic/feature of Kmtyw Culture! Why doesn't an Kmtyw (Continental Kmtyw from the sound of her accent) understand this ?????? And the big brother...did this guy say "You brought us here under false pretenses ???" and did he say the presentation PRESENTS a Legitimization of MODERN DAY CAPITALISM ???? Ummm...Really? Were we witnessing the same presentation here ?

shakes head***

Abibifahodie family....
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230529
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 25, 2017, 08:27 PM
This is what I deal with everyday. So when I say I need reinforcements, you can see I'm not joking.

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Post by: Tenkamenin on Apr 25, 2017, 11:11 PM
The most dangerous aspect of your presentation is that it presents a legitimization of modern day capitalism, in other words, it does not locate Pan-Kmtywism in its relationship with the struggles of oppressed people against capital. Because modern capitalism Pan-Kmtywism, as you represented, has to do with the rise of capitalism which is a very special formation in human history. To ignore capitalism as you have done in your presentation is to give legitimacy to those Kmtyw leaders who want to recreate kingdoms and exploit Kmtyw people today.

Really???!?!????!??????? :|
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230540
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 25, 2017, 11:20 PM
QuoteTenkamenin;230539 wrote: The most dangerous aspect of your presentation is that it presents a legitimization of modern day capitalism, in other words, it does not locate Pan-Kmtywism in its relationship with the struggles of oppressed people against capital. Because modern capitalism Pan-Kmtywism, as you represented, has to do with the rise of capitalism which is a very special formation in human history. To ignore capitalism as you have done in your presentation is to give legitimacy to those Kmtyw leaders who want to recreate kingdoms and exploit Kmtyw people today.

Really???!?!????!??????? :|
Classic deception via good cop, bad cop. Apparently the cavebeast that calls itself a capitalist is bad while its cousin that calls itself a communist is good. In reality all pale white eureurasians are the enemies of Kmtyw people and have been so for the past few thounited snakesnd years. They are out for self-preservation and their self-interests. Meanwhile, some of us are also out for their interests -- which is why they gave us their ideologies, religions, genes, etc., in the first place. In other words, the compromised anti-Black/anti-Kmtyw is dangerous to Black liberation while my presentation is dangerous to his white ideological slave master - as it well should be.

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Post by: Tenkamenin on Apr 25, 2017, 11:56 PM
QuoteObadele Kambon;230540 wrote: Classic deception via good cop, bad cop. Apparently the cavebeast that calls itself a capitalist is bad while its cousin that calls itself a communist is good. In reality all pale white eureurasians are the enemies of Kmtyw people and have been so for the past few thounited snakesnd years. They are out for self-preservation and their self-interests. Meanwhile, some of us are also out for their interests -- which is why they gave us their ideologies, religions, genes, etc., in the first place. In other words, the compromised anti-Black/anti-Kmtyw is dangerous to Black liberation while my presentation is dangerous to his white ideological slave master - as it well should be.

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Femi Kuti said,

"Capitalism socialism same oppression dey"

Nonetheless, this was not an economic presentation, so to call it "dangerous" is wrong. Where in the presentation do you legitimize modern day capitalism? Then he goes on to say, "modern day capitalism Pan-Kmtywism as you represented"

Who represented modern day capitalism? I must've missed your representation of modern day capitalism.  
 
Overall, this was a BLACKTASTIC presentation! I appreciate the primary sources you provided.
Title: The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230546
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 26, 2017, 12:39 AM
QuoteTenkamenin;230543 wrote: Femi Kuti said,

"Capitalism socialism same oppression dey"

Nonetheless, this was not an economic presentation, so to call it "dangerous" is wrong. Where in the presentation do you legitimize modern day capitalism? Then he goes on to say, "modern day capitalism Pan-Kmtywism as you represented"

Who represented modern day capitalism? I must've missed your representation of modern day capitalism.  
 
Overall, this was a BLACKTASTIC presentation! I appreciate the primary sources you provided.
Ɔyare. He understands that the false premises upon which he is basing his incorrect conclusions are being undercut and is trying to save the little white agent inseminated into him by marx.

Thanks. The book should be a game changer. To challenge it, anti-Blacks/anti-Kmtyws will have to actually learn something about Kmtyw people in ancient times, which is something that they would like to avoid like the plague so that they can remain ahistorical.

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Post by: Obibini on Apr 26, 2017, 07:31 AM
Quotekevlew;230456 wrote: Interesting idea just popped in my mind.  Would you be interested in doing post lecture discussions here on aK on the various subjects presented in the videos?  I am thinking it would be our virtual round table/study group type thing where we give our feedback or maybe dig for further information on the subjects.

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Sure!

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Post by: Tenkamenin on Apr 27, 2017, 03:17 PM
In Nana Chinweizu's lecture titled, "The History of Pan Kmtywism I Promo: Scientific Ethos" he says,

"The average Pan Kmtywist avoids debate, hates to be criticized and therefore doesn't criticize others. If you criticize his ideas he takes it as an insult to his person. He thinks that any and every idea from his hero should be exempted from critical examination, if you point that an idea by his hero is incorrect, or junk, or crack pot, he regards it as an act of treason, or sacrilege, or defamation of his esteem god. Here is an example of an exchange at a lecture that illustrates this, an Nkrumahist professor said, 'Are you saying Nkrumah was wrong?"

And of course, the last question to Dr. O by an Nkrumahist was,

"From your analysis does that mean Kwame Nkrumah was wrong?"

You can't make this stuff up! Nana Chinweizu gave us a dead on analysis of the hostile Nkrumahist.
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Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 27, 2017, 03:23 PM
QuoteObadele Kambon;230386 wrote: Yes, you are their externalized conscience.

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Externalized conscience....interesting.

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Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 27, 2017, 03:25 PM
QuoteTenkamenin;230865 wrote: In Nana Chinweizu's lecture titled, "The History of Pan Kmtywism I Promo: Scientific Ethos" he says,

"The average Pan Kmtywist avoids debate, hates to be criticized and therefore doesn't criticize others. If you criticize his ideas he takes it as an insult to his person. He thinks that any an every idea from his hero should be exempted from critical examination, if you point that an idea by his hero is incorrect, or junk, or crack pot, he regards it as an act of treason, or sacrilege, or defamation of his esteem god. Here is an example of an exchange at a lecture that illustrates this, an Nkrumahist professor said, 'Are you saying Nkrumah was wrong?"

And of course, the last question to Dr. O by an Nkrumahist was,

"From your analysis does that mean Kwame Nkrumah was wrong?"

You can't make this stuff up! Nana Chinweizu gave us a dead on analysis of the hostile Nkrumahist.
I was on this same page!

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Post by: Akua019 on Apr 28, 2017, 02:49 AM
Does anyone know why they kept mentioning the word "Eugenics" in regards to Dr. Obadele's presentation?

First it was by the first sister with the glasses, then it was by the big Marxist fella.

Maybe I am missing something but I really didn't get "eugenics" out of this presentation.
Were most of the people there university scholars or something? I can't imagine the average Ghanaian layperson making such Western-influenced specious charges against Dr. Obadele.

These brothers and sisters sound lost.
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Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Apr 28, 2017, 03:21 AM
QuoteAkua019;230924 wrote: Does anyone know why they kept mentioning the word "Eugenics" in regards to Dr. Obadele's presentation?

First it was by the first sister with the glasses, then it was by the big Marxist fella.

Maybe I am missing something but I really didn't get "eugenics" out of this presentation.
Were most of the people there university scholars or something? I can't imagine the average Ghanaian layperson making such Western-influenced specious charges against Dr. Obadele.

These brothers and sisters sound lost.
Good observation.  It's obvious they are regurgitating what they were taught by there eureurasian educators.

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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 28, 2017, 06:07 AM
QuoteAkua019;230924 wrote: Does anyone know why they kept mentioning the word "Eugenics" in regards to Dr. Obadele's presentation?

First it was by the first sister with the glasses, then it was by the big Marxist fella.

Maybe I am missing something but I really didn't get "eugenics" out of this presentation.
Were most of the people there university scholars or something? I can't imagine the average Ghanaian layperson making such Western-influenced specious charges against Dr. Obadele.

These brothers and sisters sound lost.
They are lost. The week before, there was a presentation on eugenics, so they had eugenics on the brain.

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Post by: Yaw Asare on Apr 28, 2017, 10:51 AM
QuoteObadele Kambon;230266 wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-N2Iy2F3zw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-N2Iy2F3zw)
I loved this presentation. To me it signified how practical mdw ntr can be for our researches in the sense that it becomes a way we directly listen to the voices of our ancestors.
I appreciated the addition to the conversation the consequences of our actions to allow invaders under the umbrella of Pan-Kmtywism.
From the presentation, I see that life has presented Black people the same scenario over and over but we still refuse to learn the lesson.
The point on libation, I would think we are in the Institute of Kmtyw Studies for a reason and as a pro-Black institute is it not only fair to incorporate our practises into our scholarship or must we rid ourselves of our Kmtywess just to be quasi-scholars.
I think our inactions and wrong conceptualisations have for a long time legitimised capitalism and if we are not willing to do what other races have done, then we are indeed ''race of cowards''.
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Apr 29, 2017, 06:55 AM
QuoteMansa Kankan Munited snakes;231004 wrote: I loved this presentation. To me it signified how practical mdw ntr can be for our researches in the sense that it becomes a way we directly listen to the voices of our ancestors.
I appreciated the addition to the conversation the consequences of our actions to allow invaders under the umbrella of Pan-Kmtywism.
From the presentation, I see that life has presented Black people the same scenario over and over but we still refuse to learn the lesson.
The point on libation, I would think we are in the Institute of Kmtyw Studies for a reason and as a pro-Black institute is it not only fair to incorporate our practises into our scholarship or must we rid ourselves of our Kmtywess just to be quasi-scholars.
I think our inactions and wrong conceptualisations have for a long time legitimised capitalism and if we are not willing to do what other races have done, then we are indeed ''race of cowards''.
Wo na woyɛ Abibiman daakye, nti ɛyɛ me anigyeɛ sɛ w'ani gyee badwam kasa yi ho. Mpanimfoɔ bu bɛ bi sɛ "Wo Nananom gyaa wo mpanin kasa a, wonnyae nkɔka mmɔfra kasa." Ampa, ɛyɛ yɛn Nananom kasa, wɔn nne, ne wɔn nyansa a wɔgyaa de too hɔ maa yɛn nie. Ɛsan yɛ akwankyerɛ a ɛda hɔ pefee ma yɛn sɛdeɛ ɛbɛyɛ a, yɛbɛhunu nsunsuansoɔ ɛsiane sɛ "Mfomsoɔ kyerɛ nipa nyansa; nti deɛ ɔse ɔmfomm da no, ahwere adeɛ." Gye sɛ yɛtumi hunu deɛ ɛkɔɔ so berɛ a yɛyɛɛ adepa ɛne ɛho mfasoɔ. Afei ɛwɔ sɛ yɛtumi hunu bɔneayɛ ho nsunsuansoɔ.

Wonim sɛ nnawɔtwe a ɛdii soɔ no, yɛde nhyiamudan too no Ɔbenfowaa Odotei. Ɛhɔ na buronihunusom "sɔfoɔ" baeɛ a ɔkankyee ne, sɛbe, nkwaseasɛmhunu a ɛho nni mfasoɔ. Ɛno akyi, wɔtoo buronihunusom nnwom bɛyɛ sɛ mmienu sɛ mmiɛnsa bi. Obiara hwɛɛ m'anim sɛ ɛdeɛn na mɛba abɛka. Ɛne sɛ Abibinyansa Nkorabata adane Abibikwasea Nkorabata.

Deɛ ɔkaeɛ nyinaa ne sɛ ɔpɛ sɛ yɛhunu nsonsonoeɛ a ɛda aborɔfoɔ a wɔse wɔpɛ sika ɛne wɔn a wɔse wɔmpɛ sika ntam ɛberɛ a emu biara mpɛ yɛn yiedie. Ɛno na ɛyɛ nnaadaa a marx de baeɛ...sɛ yɛbɛdwene sɛ ebi nyɛ nanso ebi nso yɛ. Ɛno na ɔde yɛɛ ne bammɔ. Ɛnkanka sɛ obi a ɔdidi te sɛ prako a ɔsan yɛ adwuma wɔ aborɔfoɔ suapɔn wɔ amerikkkaman mu se ɔmpɛ sika ne adefudepɛ? Ɔka a, ɛnneɛ mate. Kae deɛ ɔse ɛnyɛ Ananse, ɛyɛ ne ntentan na ɛyɛ asɛm. Kae nantwinini a ɔse ɛyɛ ntoma kɔkɔɔ na ɛnyɛ nipa a ɔkita koogyan no. Afei kae sɛ koti yamyefoɔ ne koti yamuonwonofoɔ baanu nyinaa pɛ wo akye wo atom. Wɔn mu biara mpɛ wo yiedie. Ɛnyɛ obiara a ɔsere kyerɛ wo na ɔyɛ w'adamfoɔ. Ɛnyɛ obiara a ɔsɔre kyea wo na ɔyɛ wo domfoɔ. Aboa ɔwɔ nyɛ w'adamfoɔ. Ɔyɛ wo tamfoɔ. Wo a woyɛ Obibini, wonni adamfoɔ biara; gye, ebia, wo yɔnkoɔ Bibini. Nkantom sɛ aborɔfosom, aborɔfo nnesua ne aborɔfo mogya ama Abibifoɔ bebree adane afatwafoɔ.

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Post by: Obibini on Apr 30, 2017, 01:03 AM
QuoteObadele Kambon;230385 wrote: Exactly! As my father says, the first one to the mind is the winner.

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Ampa O!

KNOWing is better than beLIEving.