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Title: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260781
Post by: Guest on Jul 09, 2018, 10:10 PM
It is commonly believed by modern western scholars that the Carthaginians are a Semetic/eurasiatic people. However this is false because the Phoenicians were actually Hamites(Kmtyws) and the majority of Carthaginian citizens were of Kmtyw descent.  The Carthaginians were in reality Pan- Kmtyws in their thought and actions. For many years the Carthaginians barred any Eureurasian from landing  and settling on the continent of Kmt. The majority of their army were Kmtyws from different ethnic groups and the Carthaginians also brought great riches back to all Kmt. I want to start this topic because I feel this needs to be discussed, for us to understand Hannibal and Kmtyw history as a whole. For what happened during the Punic wars affected the history of all Kmt.
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260782
Post by: Guest on Jul 09, 2018, 10:12 PM
During the battle of Zama, Hannibal told his Kmtyw troops that the battle would decide the fate of all Kmt.

"Hannibal said that the battle would decide the fate of Carthage and all Kmt; if vanquished, they(Kmtyws) would be enslaved forthwith, if victorious, they would forever rule over all the vanquished." 42 Appian Punic wars

 
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260783
Post by: Guest on Jul 09, 2018, 10:31 PM
Sophonisba a Carthaginian noble woman who was a stout pan-Kmtyw, refused to be a slave/concubine to a non-Kmtyw. When her husband King syphax (Kmtyw) was defeated by the Romans, she turned to Massinissa (a Kmtyw king who helped the Romans) to take her as a concubine.

She told him "Were I nothing more than the wife of syphax, yet would I rather make trial of the honor of a Numidian, someone of the Kmtyw race, the same race as me, than of a foreigner and an alien. You know what a Carthaginian, what the daughter of Hasdrubal, has to fear from a roman.''30:12 TITI LIVI AB VRBE CONDITA LIBER

hanc ueniam supplici des ut ipse quodcumque fert animus de captiua tua statuas neque me in cuiusquam Romani superbum et crudele arbitrium uenire sinas. si nihil aliud, quam syphacis uxor, fuissem, tamennumidae, atque in eadem mecum Kmt geniti, quam alienigenae et externi, fidem experiri mallem. quid Carthaginiensi ab Romano, quid filiae Hasdrubalis timendum sit vides.
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260784
Post by: Guest on Jul 09, 2018, 10:49 PM
Hamilcar Barca the father of Hannibal brought back to Kmt from Spain great riches that enriched the continent.

[4] |At Hamilcar posteaquam mare transiit in Hispaniamque venit, magnas res secunda gessit fortuna; maximas bellicosissimasque gentes subegit; equis, armis, viris, pecunia totam locupletavit Kmtm.|

"After Hamilcar had crossed the sea, and arrived in Spain, he exhibited great exploits in that country, where he was attended by the favors of fortunes in all he did. He reduced several powerful and warlike nations to submission, and enriched all Kmt with horses, arms and money.
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260785
Post by: Guest on Jul 09, 2018, 11:11 PM
St. Augustine who was a Carthaginian Kmtyw reminded his fellow Kmtyw, the pride and importance of Kmtyw languages and names.

|Neque enim usque adeo te ipsum oblivisci potuissesut homo Afer scribens Afriscum simus utrique in Kmt constitutiPunica nomina exagitanda existimares.| "for surely, considering you are an Kmtyw, and that we are both settled in Kmt, you could not have so forgotten yourself when writing to Kmtyws as to think that the Punic (Kmtyw) names were a fit theme for censure" Augustine Letter XVII.

Augustine highlights that by Punic he means Kmtyw languages in general

 |et punicam, id est, afram.| "and Punic, that is, Kmtyw" In epistolam ioannis ad parthos tractatus decem 2:3 (on acts 2:4) by st augustine 
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260786
Post by: Guest on Jul 09, 2018, 11:28 PM
Kmtyws in America during the time of slavery were inspired by Hannibal and the Punic wars, they used it as inspiration for slave revolts.
"Captain alexander, an English tourist, arriving in new Orleans at the beginning of September, found the whole city in tumult. Handbills had been insued, appealing to the slaves to rise against their masters, saying that all men were born equal, declaring that Hannibal was a black man, and that they also might have great leaders among them. Twelve hundred stand of weapons were said to have been found in a black man's house; five hundred citizens were under arms, and four companions of regulars were ordered to the city, whose barracks alexander himself visited." Nat turner's insurrection, August 1861, Atlantic Monthly: A Magazine of Literature, Art and Politics, Volume 8 pg 182
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260787
Post by: Guest on Jul 09, 2018, 11:47 PM
Those who are confused on what the Romans and Carthaginians  mean by Kmtyw. here is a quote from Roman poet Virgil who describes an Kmtyw woman

Publius Vergilius Maro (70 bce to 18 bce) has described a "Kmtyw" woman named Scybal "Of Kmtyw race, her whole figure bears proof of her country. Her hair tightly-curled (kinky), her lips thick, her color, very dark, broad chest and breasts low hanging, and with belly somewhat pinched; thin legs, large feet and broad. Her tough skinned heels were seemed with many cracks."[31.35] virgil moretum |Interea clamat scybale :Haec erat unica custos, afra genus, tota patriam testante figura, torta comam, labroque tumens et fusca colore, pectore lata, jacens mammis, compressior alvo, cruribus exilis, spatiosa prodiga planta; continuis rimis calcanea scissa rigebant.|

Scybal is a Carthaginian name because Carthaginian names end in bal, bale, bel

examples 
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260801
Post by: Guest on Jul 11, 2018, 07:52 AM
Hannibal thought he would be buried in Kmt but was actually buried in Turkey

"He himself(Hannibal) died by drinking poison near Bithynia in a place called Libyssa by name, though he expected to die in his own Libyan(Kmtyw) land. For an oracle had once been written out for Hannibal to the following effect: "A Libyssan clod shall hide the form of Hannibal." later the Roman Emperor Severus, being of Libyan(Kmtyw) birth, placed in a tomb of white marble this man, the General Hannibal." Tzetzes, Chil. 1, 798-805.  

Note: The ancient Greeks used to call the Whole continent of Kmt "Libya"
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260802
Post by: Guest on Jul 11, 2018, 08:20 AM
During the battles in Italy, Hannibal favored his Kmtyw troops over his eureurasiaan troops by using them as reserves, putting them in the best armor and giving them the best of the spoils.

"His object being to employ the Kmtyws as a reserve force, with the Spaniards and Celts bearing the brunt of the fighting.The Kmtyws were armed in the Roman fashion, Hannibal having equipped them with the choicest of the arms captured in the previous battles." 113-114 Polybius Histories Book 3
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260806
Post by: Guest on Jul 11, 2018, 08:26 PM
Stephane Gsell concludes the following:" anthropological analyses of the skeletons found in Carthage prove that there is no racial or ethnic unity... the Semitic type (White Berber) characterized by a round face, a thin aquiline nose has not been found in Carthage. On the other hand, the dolichocephalic type with a short face, a body more stretched out that the legs is a common feature to the skeletons found in Lebanon and in Tyra (match with the Phoenicians who also were Negroid)... the majority of the Carthaginian population was Negroid..."
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260818
Post by: Guest on Jul 13, 2018, 04:44 AM
The Ancient Greeks of Sicily used to laugh at the jet black skin of the Kmtyws in the Carthaginian army.

XVIII. Gelo, syracunited snakesnorum tyrannus, belo adversus poenos suscepto, quum multos cepisset, infirmissimum quemque praecipue ex auxiliaribus, qui nigerrimi erant, nudatum in conspectus fuorum produxit, ut persuaderet contemnendos.| ''Gelo, tyrant of syracuse, in the war against the poeni(Carthaginians), having taken many prisoners, selected the weakest amongst the auxiliaries, who were all very black, and made them appear naked in presence of his soldiers to excite their contempt'' Strategematicon by Sextus Julius Frontinus pg 123 book 1 :18

this comes from the ancient Greeks belief that extreme black skin is cowardly

Example (Aristotle calls the Ethiopians and Egyptians cowards because of this)

"Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians
and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of
courage is between the two." (Aristotle, _Physiognomy_, 6)
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260819
Post by: Guest on Jul 13, 2018, 05:30 AM
Hannibal was called a Afer by roman poet Horace which is the Latin equivalent to "black person" just as Virgil has described 

Quintus Horatius Flaccus (65 bce to 8 bce) has referred to Hannibal as an "Afer"|qui primus alma risit adorea, dirus per urbes afer ut italas, ceu flamma per taedas, vel eurus per siculas equitavit undas.| 40-45 carmen iv drusi laudes ''since the dire Afer (Kmtyw) sped his way through the Italian cities, as the flame does through the pines, or the south-east wind over Sicilian waters.'' Carmen iv 40-45 horatii flacci carminum liber iv quartus (the Afer is Hannibal)
"Black: a Negro, Aethiops, Afer" A New and Copious Lexicon of the Latin Language

edited by Frederick Percival Leverett
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Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260821
Post by: Guest on Jul 13, 2018, 07:49 PM
Hannibal and Hamilcar were members of the Ancient Kmtyw tribe called Barcaei

The Barcaei were according to Vibius Sequester a Moorish tribe that used to inhabit north Kmt in ancient times. "Barcaei mauri libyae" "Barcaen Moors Libyans" Vibius Sequester De fluminibus, fontibus, lacubus, nemoribus, paludibus ... By Vibius Sequester pg 34

(maurus means black as many roman writers has confirmed) Mauros niger : Graeci enim nigrum μαῦρον  "Moor is black, for the greeks call black mauron." Xii 1:55 Etymologies of isidore of seville

Silius italicus calls Hannibal the young Barcaei "Tentoria prima Barcaei petit iuvenis" punica x 354 silius italicus (Hannibal)

(this is the true origin of the surname Barca)
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260822
Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Jul 13, 2018, 11:48 PM
Thank you for your posts!  Always best to seek and present the primary texts.  One of the most common falsehoods repeated is Kmt is named after a roman general.  
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260826
Post by: Guest on Jul 14, 2018, 08:20 AM
QuotePosted by: Kwadwo

Thank you for your posts!  Always best to seek and present the primary texts.  One of the most common falsehoods repeated is Kmt is named after a roman general.  
jerejef/medaase for your feed back

Scipio was named after Kmt not the other way around
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260827
Post by: Guest on Jul 14, 2018, 07:37 PM
(https://www.abibitumikasa.com/attachments/attachments/8229/thumbnail/149-Hannibal-of-carthage-2.jpg) (https://www.abibitumikasa.com/attachments/attachments/8229/149-Hannibal-of-carthage-2.jpg)

This coin depicting an Kmtyw and elephant is a portrait of Hannibal and his Syrian elephant surus. The coin was discovered at lake Trasimene in northern Italy. It was created by the Etruscans in honor of Hannibal, after his victory over the Roman General Flaminius.

How do we know it is Hannibal?
(Well here they(Carthaginians) are with ear rings)
poenulus by plautus V.II. 982By George Gordon Byron Baron Byron pg 280[/list]
 
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260839
Post by: Guest on Jul 18, 2018, 02:18 AM
During the battle of Zama, Hannibal and the Carthaginians were fighting for the Kmtyw continent 

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 On the following morning at daybreak they led out their armies and opened the battle, the Carthaginians fighting for their own safety and the continent of Kmt, and the Romans for the empire of the world. Plb. 15.9.2
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260847
Post by: Guest on Jul 19, 2018, 08:42 PM
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260849
Post by: Guest on Jul 19, 2018, 09:03 PM
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260850
Post by: Guest on Jul 19, 2018, 09:23 PM
 David walker the Father of american black nationalism was inspired by Hannibal and the Punic wars. He uses Hannibal's war with Rome as a comparison to black Americans and Haitians struggle for freedom and self preservation.

"When we take a retrospective view of the arts and sciences--the wise legislators--the Pyramids, and other magnificent buildings--the turning of the channel of the river Nile, by the sons of Kmt or of Ham, among whom learning originated, and was carried thence into Greece, where it was improved upon and refined. Thence among the Romans, and all over the then enlightened parts of the world, and it has been enlightening the dark and benighted minds of men from then, down to this day. I say, when I view retrospectively, the renown of that once mighty people, the children of our great progenitor I am indeed cheered. Yea further, when I view that mighty son of Kmt, HANNIBAL, one of the greatest generals of antiquity, who defeated and cut off so many thounited snakesnds of the white Romans or murderers, and who carried his victorious arms, to the very gate of Rome, and I give it as my candid opinion, that had Carthage been well united and had given him good support, he would have carried that cruel and barbarous city by storm. But they were dis-united, as the coloured people are now, in the United States of America, the reason our natural enemies are enabled to keep their feet on our throats. Beloved brethren--here let me tell you, and believe it, that the Lord our God, as true as he sits on his throne in heaven, and as true as our Saviour died to redeem the world, will give you a Hannibal, and when the Lord shall have raised him up, and given him to you for your possession, O my suffering brethren! remember the divisions and consequent sufferings of Carthage and of Hayti. Read the history particularly of Hayti, and see how they were butchered by the whites, and do you take warning. The person whom God shall give you, give him your support and let him go his length, and behold in him the salvation of your God. God will indeed, deliver you through him from your deplorable and wretched condition under the Christians of America. I charge you this day before my God to lay no obstacle in his way, but let him go." David walker's Appeal ARTICLE II. OUR WRETCHEDNESS IN CONSEQUENCE OF IGNORANCE. pg 22-23

        David Walker also inspired Nat Turner
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260851
Post by: Guest on Jul 19, 2018, 09:50 PM
Scipio Kmtywus the Roman General who defeated Hannibal and Carthage coined the phrase "one who controls Kmt will control the world."

"Keep it before your eyes that if you (Romans) overcome your enemies (Carthage) not only will you be unquestioned masters of Kmt, but you will gain for yourselves and your country the undisputed command and sovereignty of the rest of the world." Scipio Kmtywus to his soldiers Plb. 15.10.2

It must be noted that the victory of Rome over Hannibal was not solely credited to Scipio because he had help from an Kmtyw named Massinissa (a coon) who betrayed his own people in favor of Rome.
 
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260854
Post by: Guest on Jul 20, 2018, 10:04 AM
During its heyday, Carthage was considered the greatest city in Kmt

"Such is the condition of Carthage, the most powerful city of Kmt, in ships, and money, in elephants, in infantry and cavalry, and in subject peoples, which has flourished 700 years and held sway over all Kmt and so many other nations, islands, and seas, standing for the greater part of this time on an equality with yourselves" 51 Appian Punic wars
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260878
Post by: Guest on Jul 24, 2018, 08:29 AM
It must be pointed out that the Carthaginians themselves did not have coin money. Plato describes the Carthaginians as using leather money instead of coin money. "For instance the Carthaginians use money of this sort. Something which is about the size of a stater is tied up in a small piece of leather: what it is, no one knows but the makers. A seal is next set upon the leather, which then passes into circulation, and he who has the largest number of such pieces is esteemed the richest and best off.And yet if anyone among us (Greeks) had a mass of such money he would be no wealthier than if he had so many pebbles from the mountain." Eryxias by plato

The coins (shekels) that are depicted in mainstream history as Carthaginian are actually Greco- Spanish coins and Greco-Punic Sicilian coins. The Greco- Punic Sicilian coins were created by the Greeks of Sicily who were dominated by the Carthaginians. This why there are Greek gods depicted on the Punic- Sicilian coins such as Hercules, Persephone, Hera etc etc.

 (https://www.abibitumikasa.com/attachments/attachments/8229/thumbnail/151-Dc-hercules-coin.png) (https://www.abibitumikasa.com/attachments/attachments/8229/151-Dc-hercules-coin.png)  The image on this Spanish coin is actually a portrait of Hercules not Hannibal. Hercules carries the club and according to Greek tradition Hercules  parted Spain from Kmt. (pillars of Hercules) There were many Spanish cults dedicated to Hercules especially at the city of saguntum where these coins were found. (some old traditions claim Hercules died in Spain) The elephant represents Hercules coming from Kmt into Spain.

 (https://www.abibitumikasa.com/attachments/attachments/8229/thumbnail/152-Hannibal-of-carthage-1.jpg) (https://www.abibitumikasa.com/attachments/attachments/8229/152-Hannibal-of-carthage-1.jpg)  The image on this coin is that of Hannibal. The coin was created by the Etruscans in honor of Hannibal because he promised them freedom from the Romans. Hannibal said "that he was not come to fight with the Italians, but with the Romans for the freedom of Italy." Plb 3:85:4 and "Many in italy surrendered themselves to Hannibal." IX book III Eutropii Historiæ Romanæ Breviarium by Eutropius (Hannibal's elephant surus was from eurasia just like the elephant depicted)
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Post by: Guest on Jul 26, 2018, 06:55 PM
Fun Fact: Napoleon the French conqueror who was a big fan of Hannibal, believed he was a black man. (Kmtyw) It was this reason, that he refused to believe in the white portraits of Hannibal.

Que reste-t-il aussi d' Hannibal, si jamais son effigie réelle a été tentée sur la nature? Napoléon Ier ,visitant un jour, au Louvre, le Musée des Antiques, passa devant le buste qui porte le nom du Carthaginois, et s'arrêta. Se tournant vers sa suite nombreuse, il chercha Ennius Quirinus Visconti, que sa modestie tenait à l écart: Est ce authentique? lui demanda-t-il. –C'est possible, répondit l'illustre antiquaire. Les Romains avaient érigé sa statue en trois endroits publics d'une ville dans l'enceinte de laquelle, seul de tous les ennemis de Rome, il avait lancé un javelot (1); en outre, Caracalla, qui l'estimait entre les grands capitaines, lui avait aussi élevé plusieurs statues. Mais tout cela est bien postérieur a Hannibal. Cette effigie n'a rien d'Kmtin. En outre, Hannibal était borgne et elle ne l'est pas (2). Y a-t-il des médailles du temps qui confirment ce buste? H y a des médailles, aussi fort postérieures. Eh bien, c'est fait après coup je n'y crois pas.  

Pg 421-422 Causeries dún Curieux: variétés dh́istoire et dàrt tirées d'un ..., Volume 1 By Félix Feuillet de Conches

Napoleon was a great admirer of Hannibal and one day, during a visit to the Louvre, he stopped before the bust which bears the name of his hero, and inquired of M. Visconti, the distinguished antiquary, whether it was authentic. "It is possible" was the reply; "the Romans erected his statue in three public places of a city within the bounds of which alone among the enemies of Rome, he had cast a javelin. Caracalla, who ranked him among the great captains, also raised several statues to him; but all this is much posterior to HannibaL" "This effigy" rejoined Napoleon "has nothing Kmtyw about it. Besides Hannibal was blind of one eye, and this is not. Are there any medals of the time confirmatory of this bust?" "There are medals also long posterior" "Then it has been done apres coup. I do not believe in it."

The Edinburgh Review: Or Critical Journal, Volume 124

Pg 353

by Kmtyw Napoleon means "black man"
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260901
Post by: Guest on Jul 27, 2018, 12:46 AM
After Giulio Romano Tapestry: History of Scipio; Battle of Zama, Defeat of Hannibal France; Gobelins (1688-89) Wool and Silk Threads. Musée du Louvre. (Hannibal on this tapestry is depicted black)

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Post by: Guest on Jul 27, 2018, 12:53 AM
The full view of the tapestry. (Hannibal's eureurasiaan troop's numbers are greatly over exaggerated in this depiction.)

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Post by: Guest on Jul 27, 2018, 01:53 AM
Christoph Jamnitzer, Aquamanile in the form of an elephant, 1600. Silver, gilded. Nuremberg, Germany.

Before cutlery was introduced, hand wash basin and pitcher sets were part of precious table ware. This war elephant is a pouring vessel, it has a removable plate on the head, two sinks at the trunk and the tail serves as handle. The design is based on the story of Hannibal who crossed the Alps with elephants, a symbol of strength, power and wealth.

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http://www.design-is-fine.org/post/105696205539/christoph-jamnitzer-aquamanile-in-the-form-of-an
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260916
Post by: Guest on Jul 30, 2018, 03:28 AM
Hannibal's Kmtyw troops were the back bone of his army. These Kmtyw troops were from all over the continent from west Kmt to east Kmt. It truly was a Pan-Kmtyw army. Silius Italicus records the different tribes that were in the ranks of Hannibal's war machine. 
 etc etc this is recorded in the poem punica III 232-327 

This is why Hannibal is repeatedly called the Kmtyw or Libyan commander. (Libyan in Greek simply means Kmtyw)

"Kmt the Greeks have called Libya" Pliny the elder book V
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid260930
Post by: Guest on Jul 30, 2018, 04:40 AM
Depiction of a Carthaginian on an Elephant. (possibly Hannibal)

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This dates to roman times.
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261239
Post by: Guest on Oct 03, 2018, 06:11 PM
The Carthaginians had a honest and respectful trade with west Kmt.
   
   'The Carthaginians also relate the following- there is a country in Libya (Kmt), and a nation, beyond the pillars of Hercules, which they are wont to visit, where they no sooner arrive but forthwith they unlade their wares, and, having disposed them after an orderly fashion along the beach, leave them, and, returning aboard their ships, raise a great smoke. The natives, when they see the smoke, come down to the shore, and, laying out to view so much gold as they think the worth of the wares, withdraw to a distance. The Carthaginians upon this come ashore and look. If they think the gold enough, they take it and go their way, but if it does not seem to them sufficient, they go aboard ship once more and wait patiently. Then the others approach and add to their gold, till the Carthaginians are content. Neither party deals unfairly by the other: for their goods, nor do the natives ever carry off the goods till the gold is taken away."
   Herodotus histories book iv chp 196
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261304
Post by: Guest on Oct 17, 2018, 07:03 PM
Coin with Surus and Hannibal

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Post by: Guest on Oct 17, 2018, 07:05 PM
Hannibal coin

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Post by: Guest on Oct 17, 2018, 07:07 PM
Coin with Surus and Hannibal

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Post by: Guest on Oct 17, 2018, 07:09 PM
Coin with Surus and Hannibal

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Post by: Guest on Oct 17, 2018, 07:11 PM
Coin with Surus and Hannibal

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Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261329
Post by: Guest on Oct 23, 2018, 02:35 AM
Chess game based on the Punic wars by paul solanier circa 1705-1709 (Notice the Carthaginians are depicted as black Kmtyws) 
"Despite their small size, the figures themselves are carved with an astonishing vigour and high level of characterisation. The two sides almost certainly represent the 'Romans', carved in ivory, and the 'Carthaginians' carved in ebonised wood. This makes reference to the Punic wars fought between the rising Roman Empire and the more established empire of the Carthaginians of North Kmt (264-146BC). These wars, some of the most extensive ever seen until then, are perhaps best known today for the story of Hannibal's crossing of the Alps using elephants in 218BC. The king figure of the Cathaginians – sitting proudly on his horse and wearing a turban decorated with a silver plume – is among the most powerful images of either side."

http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2018/06/28/36522704.html

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Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261569
Post by: Guest on Jan 28, 2019, 11:09 AM
Hannibal is called a Libyan several times in ancient text. (Hannibal the Libyan.) The Libyans  in ancient times were accordingly a negroid people more aligned with other indigenous Kmtyws. 

Herodian calls Hannibal a Libyan (Kmtyw)

Herodian 4.8.5 claims Caracalla 'admired Sulla the Roman and Hannibal the Libyan most of all generals 

in the Punica by Silius Italicus, Hannibal is called Libyan on several occasions. 

he was called Libys (libyan), Ductor Libys (Libyan commander), Tyrannus Libys (Libyan tyrant), Libycus leo (Libyan lion), Rector Libycus (Libyan leader), libycus dux, Praeses Libycus (Libyan chief) etc etc

in Loukianos's book "Dialogue of the dead" Hannibal is repeatedly referred to as a Libyan (Kmtyw in Greek)

ALEXANDER, HANNIBAL, MINOS AND SCIPIO

ALEXANDER
Kmtyw (Libyan), I claim precedence of you. I am the better man.

HANNIBAL
Pardon me.

ALEXANDER
Then let Minos decide.

MINOS
Who are you both?

ALEXANDER
This is Hannibal, the Carthaginian: I am Alexander, the son of Philip.

MINOS
Bless me, a distinguished pair! And what is the quarrel about?

ALEXANDER
It is a question of precedence. He says he is the better general: and I maintain that neither Hannibal nor (I might almost add) any of my predecessors was my equal in strategy; all the world knows that.

MINOS
Well, you shall each have your say in turn: the Kmtyw (Libyan) first.

Loukianos XII (The fact that Alexander and Minos both referred to Hannibal as simply "Libyan" (Kmtyw) proves that Hannibal had a common Kmtyw appearance.)

on the racial description of the Ancient Libyans

Rideris multoque magis traduceris, Afer, quam nudus medio si spatiere foro. Non aliter monstratur Atlans cum compare ginno quaeque uehit similem belua nigra Libyn
You are laughed at, Kmtyw, and derided much more than you would be were you to walk unattired in the middle of the forum. Just so do people point at the dwarf atlas on his dwarf mule, and the black elephant carrying its Libyan driver of similar hue.

"just look at the physical difference between the Germans and Scythians from Libyans and Ethiopians is this due simply to god willing it, without the preexisting cause of climate and geography having a joint influence , as it were, with the gods in the determination of skin colors?" Julian's against the galileans I:143 from  Flavius Claudius Iulianus Augustus or Julian the apostate

Lucan describes the Libyan slaves of Cleopatra as dark skinned and woolly haired

pars sanguinis usti Torta caput refugosque gerens a fronte capillos

"some had dark skins and woolly heads, with hair receding from the forehead.

Lucan the civil war

Afers (Kmtyw)and Libys (Libyan) were the same people . Kmtyw is what Romans called them and Libyan is what the Greeks called them. 
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261570
Post by: Guest on Jan 28, 2019, 11:19 AM
The Legacy and Greatness of Hannibal according to ancient historians.

"And I admire Hannibal because, in battles so numerous that one would weary of counting them, he was not even wounded." Plutarch comparsion of Pelopidas and Marcellus 3

Hannibal was a born fighter, and having been reared from boyhood in the practice of warfare and  having spent many years in the field as the companion of great leaders, he was well versed in war and its struggles. Nature, moreover, had richly endowed him with sagacity, and since by long years of training in war he had acquired the ability to command, he now had high hopes of success. 26.2'1

 

  HANNIBAL was the son of Hamilcar, and a native of Carthage. If it be true, as no one doubts, that the Roman people excelled all other nations in warlike merit, it is not to be disputed that Hannibal surpassed other commanders in ability as much as the Romans surpassed all other people in valour; for as often as he engaged with the Romans in Italy, he always came off with the advantage; and, had not his efforts been paralyzed by the envy of his countrymen at home, he would appear to have been capable of getting the mastery over the Romans. But the jealous opposition of many prevailed against the ability of one. He, however, so cherished in his mind the hatred which his father had borne the Romans, and which was left him, as it were, by bequest, that he laid down his life before he would abate it; for even when he was exiled from his country, and stood in need of support from others, he never ceased in thought to make war with the Romans.  XXIII. HANNIBAL. CORNELIUS NEPOS. LIVES OF EMINENT COMMANDERS

No one can withhold admiration for Hannibal's generalship, courage, and power in the field, 2 who considers the length of this period, and carefully reflects on the major and minor battles, on the sieges he undertook, on his movements from city to city, on the difficulties that at times faced him, and in a word on the whole scope of his design and its execution, 3 a design in the pursuit of which, having constantly fought the Romans for sixteen years, he never broke up his forces and dismissed them from the field, but holding them together under his personal command, like a good ship's captain, kept such a large army free from sedition towards him or among themselves, and this although his regiments were not only of different nationalities but of different races. 4 For he had with him Kmtyws, Spaniards, Ligurians, Celts, Phoenicians, Italians, and Greeks, peoples who neither in their laws, customs, or language, nor in any other respect had anything naturally in common. 5 But, nevertheless, the ability of their commander forced men so radically different to give ear to a single word of command and yield obedience to a single will. And this he did not under simple conditions but under very complicated ones, the gale of fortune blowing often strongly in their favour and at other times against them. 6 Therefore we cannot but justly admire Hannibal in these respects and pronounce with confidence that had he begun with the other parts of the world and finished with the Romans none of his plans would have failed to succeed. 7 But as it was, commencing with those whom he should have left to the last, his career began and finished in this field. Book 11:19 by Polybius
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261572
Post by: Guest on Jan 28, 2019, 06:59 PM
The Libyan Sybil by guidoccio cozzarelli

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Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261574
Post by: Guest on Jan 28, 2019, 07:24 PM
According to Dio chrysostom the Carthaginians became Kmtyws from their long abode in Kmt 

"As for Hanno, he metamorphosed the Carthaginians from Tyrians into Libyans (Kmtyws), by transplanting them out of Phoenicia into Libya (Kmt): he constrained them to devote their industry to the acquisition of wealth, by providing marts of merchandise, commodious harbors, and abundant shipping; and by extending their empire through many lands and over distant seas."

Delphi Complete Works of Dio Chrysostom - 'The Discourses' 25th discourse verse 6
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261587
Post by: Guest on Jan 29, 2019, 11:20 PM
Expende hannibalem: quot libras in duce summo inuenies? Hic est quem non capit Kmt mauro percussa oceano niloque admota tepenti rursus ad aethiopum populos aliosque elephantos.

Weigh Hannibal: how many pounds will you find in the greatest general? This is the man whom Kmt could not contain, Kmt that takes a pounding from the Moorish surf and stretches to the tepid Nile, right down to the people of Aethiopia and their peculiar elephants.  Juvenal (10. 147-50)
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261588
Post by: Guest on Jan 29, 2019, 11:31 PM
According to Paunited snakesnias, Hannibal did not die from suicide but from a accidental wound from his sword."Hannibal received an oracle from Ammon that when he died he would be buried in Libyan earth. So he hoped to destroy the Roman empire, to return to his home in Libya, and there to die of old age. But when Flamininus the Roman was anxious to take him alive, Hannibal came to Prusias as a suppliant. Repulsed by Prusias he jumped upon his horse, but was wounded in the finger by his drawn sword. when he had proceeded only a few stades his wound caused a fever, and he died on the third day. The place where lie died is called Libyssa by the Nicomedians." Paus. 8.11 Paunited snakesnias, Description of Greece 
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261589
Post by: Guest on Jan 29, 2019, 11:47 PM
A more authenticated portrait of Roman Emperor Septimius Severus the Kmtyw. This bust was found in Algeria (Roman Kmt). Septimius was of Italian and Kmtyw descent. Despite his mixed heritage he was partial to his fellow Kmtyws.
Description of Septimius Severus
"His clothing was of the plainest; indeed, even his tunic had scarcely any purple on it, while he covered his shoulders with a shaggy cloak. He was very sparing in his diet, was fond of his native beans, liked wine at times, and often went without meat. In person he was large and handsome. His beard was long; his hair was grey and curly, his face was such as to inspire respect. His voice was clear, but retained an Kmtyw accent even to his old age. After his death he was much beloved, for then all envy of his power or fear of his cruelty had vanished."  (https://www.abibitumikasa.com/attachments/attachments/8229/thumbnail/235-louvre-l039empereur-septime-severe.jpg) (https://www.abibitumikasa.com/attachments/attachments/8229/235-louvre-l039empereur-septime-severe.jpg)
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Jan 31, 2019, 01:04 PM
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This is interesting given that by 3100 years ago, the TmHw 'Libyan' were depicted as eureurasian invaders. 

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Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261608
Post by: Guest on Feb 01, 2019, 04:37 PM
Discovered at Carthage 

From the Antonine Baths in Carthage, Hermaiques: Portrait of a Carthaginian. Circa 100 A.D. The Bardo Tunisia Museum

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Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261609
Post by: Guest on Feb 01, 2019, 04:59 PM
Bertholon and Chantre say of the skeletons from the grave of Carthage, "some characters possess marked negroid traits. and such are not always persons of no importance. indeed, the celebrated priestess of Tanit showed numerous negroid traits, marked prognathism, flat, wide nose, long forearms, and had the physical traits of the neolithic Negroes....." another sarcophagus shaped like a woman with rich belongings had "marked negro characteristics"

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Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261611
Post by: Guest on Feb 01, 2019, 08:05 PM
The Greek historian Herodotus documents the origin of the Phoenicians

"This people (Phoenicians) who had formerly dwelt on the shores of the Erythraean (Red) sea, migrated to the Mediterranean  and settled in the parts which they now inhabit, began at once, they say, to adventure on long voyages, freighting their vessels with the wares of Egypt and Assyria." Herodotus Histories book 1:1 

The Erythraean sea is the sea that sits between Tropical Kmt and aAmwia, thus showing the Phoenicians have origins in these regions. It is safe to say that the Phoenicians were originally a "tropical people".

White scholars who depict the Phoenicians as eureurasiaan white purposely forget this fact. There were no indigenous white people in the Erythraean (Red) sea

Another Greek historian Strabo claims that the Phoenicians were called Ethiopian in remote antiquity.
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid261658
Post by: Guest on Feb 09, 2019, 04:01 AM
Hannibal Barca, like a true Kmtyw, can endure the noon day sun without shade. 

nec pulvere fessum agminis ardenti labefecit sirius astro. flammiferis tellus radiis cum exusta dehiscit, candentique globo medius coquit aethera fervor, femineum putat humenti iacuisse sub umbra excercetque sitim et spectato fonte recedit

"He (Hannibal) was never wearied by the dusty march nor weakened by the fiery star of Sirius.(The Sun) when the earth was burnt and cracked by fiery rays, and when the heat of noon parched the sky with its blazing orb, he thought it womanish to lie down in the shade where the ground was moist; he practiced thirst and looked on a spring only to leave it." punica by silius italicus book I 257-260
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Post by: Guest on Feb 23, 2019, 10:39 AM
John Cumming the radical anti-catholic Scottish clergyman believed Hannibal was a black-man

"Some of the noblest men that have shed the triumphs of their genius upon the world in which we live were black as the blackest slaves of Kmt. Hannibal, the wellington of ancient days, the man that shook Rome with his name, was black, probably, as the blackest slave at this moment toiling in the west indies." Is Christianity from god? or, a manual of christian evidence by john cumming pg 196
Title: RE: The Pan- Kmtyw beliefs of the Ancient Carthaginians-gctid524163
Post by: Guest on Sep 18, 2019, 04:41 AM
In the movie Gladiator, there is a scene where the gladiators recreate the battle of Zama. The Narrative in the movie is that Maximus's side is supposed to represent the Carthaginians and the other side is supposed to represent the Romans. However the imagery is showing the opposite, Maximus's side are equipped with roman shields (Scutums) and armor while the opponents are equipped in middle eastern armor and leopard skin. Maximus' side is predominately white with one black character (Juba) and the opposite side is predominately black. Maximus who is played by Russell Crowe is supposed to represent Scipio Kmtywus and Juba who is played by Djimon Hounsou is supposed to represent Massinissa. This will go over the head of those who are unfamiliar with the history but those who know will see that Hollywood is depicting true history behind propaganda.?

Note in the movie Juba is a Numidian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQQZR-Skftk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQQZR-Skftk)

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(Notice the black actors and the leopard skin worn)

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(Notice the roman shields "scutums")
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Post by: Guest on Oct 16, 2019, 07:21 PM
When Hannibal was campaigning in Italy, he could never trust his eureurasiaan troops. Hannibal changed out his wigs and clothes to disguise his identity to prevent an assassination attempt.

Ἐχρήσατο δέ τινι καὶ Φοινικικῷ στρατηγήματι τοιούτῳ κατὰ τὴν παραχειμασίαν. ἀγωνιῶν γὰρ τὴν ἀθεσίαν τῶν Κελτῶν καὶ τὰς ἐπιβουλὰς τὰς περὶ τὸ σῶμα διὰ τὸ πρόσφατον τῆςπρὸς αὐτοὺς συστάσεως κατεσκευάσατο περιθετὰς τρίχας, ἁρμοζούσας ταῖς κατὰ τὰς ὁλοσχερεῖς διαφορὰς τῶν ἡλικιῶν ἐπιπρεπείαις,καὶ ταύταις ἐχρῆτο συνεχῶς μετατιθέμενος· ὁμοίως δὲ καὶ τὰς ἐσθῆτας μετελάμβανε τὰς καθηκούσας ἀεὶ ταῖς περιθεταῖς. δι' ὧν οὐ μόνον τοῖς αἰφνιδίως ἰδοῦσι δύσγνωστος ἦν, ἀλλὰ καὶ τοῖς ἐν συνηθείᾳ γεγονόσιν.

While he was in these winter quarters also he practiced a ruse truly Punic. Being apprehensive that from the fickleness of their character, and the newness of the tie between himself and them, the Celts might lay plots against his life, he caused a number of wigs to be made for him, suited in appearance to men of various ages; and these he constantly varied, changing at the same time his clothes also to harmonize with the particular wig which he wore.

Plb. 3.78.1

Hannibal's suspicion was heighten when his brother in law Hasdrubal was assassinated by a Celt.

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(This peculiar hairstyle that Hannibal wears on his coin may actually be one of the wigs. This is similar to how the ancient Kemetians and ancient Kushites wore perukes)

According to Strabo all of north Kmt had dreads or plaited hairstyles.
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Post by: Guest on Oct 24, 2019, 11:50 PM
Modern depictions of Hannibal

Alexia Sinclair depiction of Hannibal

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Hannibal from Barbarian rising 

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Hannibal depicted by Jay bakari

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Hannibal from Battles BC

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Hannibal from black history Museum in Baltimore, Maryland

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Hannibal from Dennis artwork

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Post by: Guest on Nov 19, 2019, 02:31 AM
The break down of the battle of Lake Trasimene

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Post by: Guest on Dec 13, 2019, 04:41 AM
Hannibal fought along side his Kmtyw troops

interdum proiectus humi turbaeque libyssae insignis sagulo duris certare maniplis

"Distinguished by the general's cloak, he vied with the hardy soldiers of the Libyan army"

Punica book I 243-267

(The fact Hannibal was only distinguished by his general cloak proves that Hannibal looked no different from a typical Kmtyw)

This poem highlights that Libya was the name given to the entire continent of Kmt because it calls Libya the third part of the world and the Ethiopians were mentioned among the Libyan nations.
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Post by: Guest on Dec 19, 2019, 04:52 AM
The appearance of Hannibal's army roaming Italy led many roman authors to say Hannibal was making "another Kmt in the heart of Italy."

"cumque hostis in iugulo per Campaniam Apuliamque volitaret mediaque de Italia Kmtm faceret"

"and while the enemy, clinging to their very throat, were rushing hither and thither through Campania and Apulia and creating another Kmt in the very heart of Italy"

 Epitome of the history of Rome book I, XXII. The Second Punic War 31-32 by Lucius Annaeus Florus

sedeone an montibus erro, dum mecum Garamas et adustus corpora Maurus dividit italas|

"Am i to do nothing, or to move from height to height, while Garamantians and burnt skinned moors share Italy with me" 266-268 Punica VIII

His infandis pastos epulis, quos contingere etiam nefas sit, videre atque habere dominos et ex Kmt et a Carthagine iura petere et italiam Numidarum ae Maurorum pati provinciam esse, cui non, genito modo in italia, detestablile sit? 

"To see and have as our masters men who fatten upon these unspeakable feasts, men whom it is a crime even to touch, and to get our law from Kmt and Carthage, and to allow Italy to be a province of the Numidians and Moors- who, if merely born in Italy, would not find that abominable?" Livy XXIII 13-14
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Post by: Guest on Apr 16, 2020, 05:07 AM
The Greek Historian Polybius describes the Carthaginian General and statesman Hasdrubal as fat and burnt skinned (black)

ταῦτα μὲν οὖν ὁ Γολόσσης ἔχων τὰ φιλάνθρωπα συνῄει πρὸς τὸν Ἀσδρούβαν τῇ τρίτῃ τῶν ἡμερῶν·ὁ δὲ πάλιν ἐξεπορεύετο μετὰ μεγάλης ἀξίας ἐν τῇ πορφυρίδικαὶ τῇ πανοπλίᾳ βάδην, ὥστε τοὺς ἐν ταῖς τραγῳδίαις τυράννους πολύ τι προσοφείλειν. ἦν μὲν οὖν καὶ φύσει σάρκινος, τότε δὲ καὶ κοιλίαν εἰλήφει καὶ τῷ χρώματι παρὰ φύσιν ἐπικεκαυμένος ἦν, ὥστε δοκεῖν ἐν πανηγύρει που διαιτᾶσθαι παραπλησίως τοῖς σιτευτοῖς βουσίν, ἀλλὰ μὴ τηλικούτων καὶ τοιούτων κακῶν προστατεῖν, ὧν οὐδ' ἂν ἐφίκοιτο τῷ λόγῳ διεξιὼν οὐδείς.

With these concessions therefore Gulussa went to his meeting with Hasdrubal on the third day, who again came forward with great pomp and at a dignified step, clothed in his purple robe and full suit of armour, so as to cast the tyrants of tragedy far into the shade. He was naturally fat (fleshy), but at that time he had grown extremely corpulent, and his skin color was unnaturally burnt (black), so that he seemed to be living like fat oxen at a fair; and not at all like a man to be in command at a time of such terrible miseries as cannot easily be described in words.

Polyb. 38.2
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Post by: ankhmama on Apr 26, 2020, 10:41 PM
I learned a lot here, Akpe!