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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 05, 2020, 03:05 PM
8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day

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   Columbus and his men hunted Natives with war-dogs.

Vincent Schilling

Oct 9, 2017

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First up, Columbus never landed on American soil.

On the second Monday of October each year, Native Americans cringe at the thought of honoring Christopher Columbus, a man who committed atrocities against Indigenous Peoples.

Columbus Day was conceived by the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic Fraternal organization, in the 1930s because they wanted a Catholic hero. After President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the day into law as a federal holiday in 1937, the rest has been history.

In an attempt to further thwart the celebration of this "holiday," we at ICTMN have outlined eight misnomers and bloody, greedy, sexually perverse and horrendous atrocities committed by Columbus and his men.

FULL BIBLIOGRAPHY AND SOURCES USED FOR THIS ARTICLE HERE – Christopher Columbus's Top Atrocities: The Annotated List (https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/christopher-columbus-s-top-atrocities-the-annotated-list-qBzxMsCvd0CQCVFNxjeTPA)

On the Way—Christopher Columbus Stole a Sailor's Reward

After obtaining funding for his explorations to reach eurasia from the seizure and sale of properties from Spanish Jews and Muslims by order of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, Columbus headed out to explore a new world with money and ships.

Brimming with the excitement of discovering new land, Columbus offered a reward of 10,000 maravedis or about $540 (a sailor's yearly salary) for the first person to discover such land. Though another sailor saw the land in October 1492, Columbus retracted the reward he had previously offered because he claimed he had seen a dim light in the west.

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   Andrews, E. Benjamin. History of the United States, volume V. Charles Scribner's Sons, New York. 1912/Wikimedia- Replicas of the Niña, Pinta and Santa Maria in the North River, New York. They crossed from Spain to be present at the World's Fair at Chicago.

Columbus Never Landed on American Soil—Not in 1492, Not Ever

We're not talking about the Leif Ericson Viking explorer story. We mean Columbus didn't land on the higher 48—ever. Columbus quite literally landed in what is now known as the Bahamas and later Hispaniola, present-day Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

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Upon arrival, Columbus and his expedition of weapon laden Spaniards met the Arawaks, Tainos and Lucayans—all friendly, according to Columbus' writings. Soon after arriving, Columbus wrecked the Santa Maria and the Arawaks worked for hours to save the crew and cargo.

Impressed with the friendliness of the native people, Columbus seized control of the land in the name of Spain. He also helped himself to some locals. In his journal he wrote:

"As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts."

RELATED: American History Myths Debunked: Columbus Discovered America (https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/events/8-myths-and-atrocities-about-christopher-columbus-and-columbus-day/news/american-history-myths-debunked-columbus-discovered-america/)

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   Wikimedia Commons- The four voyages of Columbus are shown here.

Columbus Painted a Horrible Picture of Peaceful Natives

When Columbus first saw the Native Arawaks that came to greet him and his crew he spoke with a peaceful and admiring tone.

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"They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things... They willingly traded everything they owned... They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features.... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane... . They would make fine servants.... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want."

After several months in the Caribbean, on January 13, 1493 two Natives were murdered during trading. Columbus, who had otherwise described the Natives as gentle people wrote "(they are) evil and I believe they are from the island of Caribe, and that they eat men." He also described them as "savage cannibals, with dog-like noses that drink the blood of their victims."

The cannibal story is taught as fact in some of today's schools.

Columbus' Men Were Rapists and Murderers

On Columbus's first trip to the Caribbean, he later returned to Spain and left behind 39 men who went ahead and helped themselves to Native women. Upon his return the men were all dead.With 1,200 more soldiers at his disposal, rape and pillaging became rampant as well as tolerated by Columbus.

This is supported by a reported close friend of Columbus, Michele de Cuneo who wrote the first disturbing account of a relation between himself and a Native female gift given to him by Columbus.

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"While I was in the boat I captured a very beautiful Carib woman, whom the said Lord Admiral gave to me, and with whom, having taken her into my cabin, she being naked according to their custom, I conceived desire to take pleasure. I wanted to put my desire into execution but she did not want it and treated me with her finger nails in such a manner that I wished I had never begun. But seeing that (to tell you the end of it all), I took a rope and thrashed her well, for which she raised such unheard of screams that you would not have believed your ears. Finally we came to an agreement in such manner that I can tell you that she seemed to have been brought up in a school of harlots."

Several accounts of cruelty and murder include Spaniards testing the sharpness of blades on Native people by cutting them in half, beheading them in contests and throwing Natives into vats of boiling soap. There are also accounts of suckling infants being lifted from their mother's breasts by Spaniards, only to be dashed headfirst into large rocks.

Bartolome De Las Casas, a former slave owner who became Bishop of Chiapas, described these exploits. "Such inhumanities and barbarisms were committed in my sight as no age can parallel," he wrote. "My eyes have seen these acts so foreign to human nature that now I tremble as I write."

Christopher Columbus Enslaved the Native People for Gold

Because Columbus (https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/events/8-myths-and-atrocities-about-christopher-columbus-and-columbus-day/news/cartoons/the-lie-that-is-columbus-day/) reported a plethora of Natives for slaves, rivers of gold and fertile pastures to Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand, Columbus was given 17 ships and more than 1,200 men on his next expedition. However, Columbus had to deliver. In the next few years, Columbus was desperate to fulfill those promises—hundreds of Native slaves died on their way back to Spain and gold was not as bountiful as expected.

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   Christopher Columbus presents Native Americans to Queen Isabella.

Columbus forced the Natives to work in gold mines until exhaustion. Those who opposed were beheaded or had their ears cut off.

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In the provinces of Cicao all persons over 14 had to supply at least a thimble of gold dust every three months and were given copper necklaces as proof of their compliance. Those who did not fulfill their obligation had their hands cut off, which were tied around their necks while they bled to death—some 10,000 died handless.

In two years' time, approximately 250,000 Indians on Haiti were dead. Many deaths included mass suicides or intentional poisonings or mothers killing their babies to avoid persecution.

According to Columbus, in a few years before his death, "Gold is the most precious of all commodities; gold constitutes treasure, and he who possesses it has all he needs in the world, as also the means of rescuing souls from purgatory, and restoring them to the enjoyment of paradise."

Columbus Provided Native Sex Slaves to His Men

In addition to putting the Natives to work as slaves in his gold mines, Columbus also sold sex slaves to his men—some as young as 9. Columbus and his men also raided villages for sex and sport.

In the year 1500, Columbus wrote: "A hundred castellanoes are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand."

Columbus' Men Used Native People as Dog Food

In the early years of Columbus' conquests there were butcher shops throughout the Caribbean where Indian bodies were sold as dog food. There was also a practice known as the montería infernal, the infernal chase, or manhunt, in which Indians were hunted by war-dogs.

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These dogs—who also wore armor and had been fed human flesh, were a fierce match for the Indians. Live babies were also fed to these war dogs as sport, sometimes in front of horrified parents.

Christopher Columbus Returned to Spain in Shackles—But Was Pardoned

After a multitude of complaints against Columbus about his mismanagement of the island of Hispaniola, a royal commissioner arrested Columbus in 1500 and brought him back to Spain in chains.

Though he was stripped of his governor title, he was pardoned by King Ferdinand, who then subsidized a fourth voyage.

RELATED: Christopher Columbus, The Myths Behind the Man (https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/events/8-myths-and-atrocities-about-christopher-columbus-and-columbus-day/news/christopher-columbus-the-myths-behind-the-man/)
Title: RE: 8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day-gctid525528
Post by: Marian Akiti on Nov 08, 2020, 05:36 PM
Thank you for this post. For most of my life I understood the meaning of "A colonized mind", but as of recent, I do not understand why there is still a great many of us contributing to this educational system. I worked for Dr. Asa G. Hilliard, III at GSU Educational Psychology Dept. During my 7 years there,  I became more in tuned with my own beliefs that our youth should have Kmtyw Saturday School. And for those who could afford to, send their children to a chosen school in Kmt for secondary education. There is NO excuse. The old blame game of the white education system does not work today. Our education is OUR responsibility. I apologize for the lengthy reply. These are my thoughts each time the subject of Christopher Columbus is presented.

 
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 08, 2020, 11:01 PM
Quote Posted by: @marian_a

Thank you for this post. For most of my life I understood the meaning of "A colonized mind", but as of recent, I do not understand why there is still a great many of us contributing to this educational system. I worked for Dr. Asa G. Hilliard, III at GSU Educational Psychology Dept. During my 7 years there,  I became more in tuned with my own beliefs that our youth should have Kmtyw Saturday School. And for those who could afford to, send their children to a chosen school in Kmt for secondary education. There is NO excuse. The old blame game of the white education system does not work today. Our education is OUR responsibility. I apologize for the lengthy reply. These are my thoughts each time the subject of Christopher Columbus is presented.

 

   

Are you still in Atlanta? 
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Post by: Marian Akiti on Nov 09, 2020, 12:22 AM
@obadelekambon I moved from Atlanta  to North Carolina in 1994. 
Title: RE: 8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day-gctid525532
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 09, 2020, 12:30 AM
Quote Posted by: @marian_a

@obadelekambon I moved from Atlanta  to North Carolina in 1994. 

   

Okay, what are your experiences with secondary schools here in Kmt? 
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Post by: Marian Akiti on Nov 09, 2020, 01:14 AM
Personally, I do not. I was raised in Atlanta. 4 families in our community sent their children to Ghana/ Nigeria starting 2nd grade to 7th grade. In North Carolina 2 family friends who travelled to Liberia in college from Amerikkka later married and wanted their children to have the experience at an early age. Their explanation was this is the beginning of erasing the mind control of the enemy.
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 09, 2020, 07:22 AM
@marian_a obi nnwane nkrane nkɔtɔ gyam. One doesn't run from fire ants into fire. Coming to schools here to erase mind control is like running into water to dry oneself off. 
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Post by: Marian Akiti on Nov 09, 2020, 12:40 PM
Would that apply to one who was not raised in their mother tongue or taught their history?  
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 09, 2020, 01:30 PM
That would apply to all those who attend the fooling system here. 
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Post by: Marian Akiti on Nov 09, 2020, 03:38 PM
Details.
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 09, 2020, 11:27 PM
Quote Posted by: @marian_a

Details.

   
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Post by: Marian Akiti on Nov 10, 2020, 02:19 AM
@obadelekambon, Well my first question is, "Does an education in the colonial/christian school systems  negate the additional  education received by elders in language, culture and precolonial history"? And my second question is,  "Are there governments seeking Kmtyw centered curriculum for their youth in the near future"?
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 10, 2020, 06:45 AM
@marian_a negate is a fair term to use. More so, it makes them use anything that they learn in service of white world terror domination.

I've found that they don't even have a concept of what Kmtyw centered is. This is how the Kmtyw Union can reject Haiti while accepting Morocco back in 2016. That's their best understanding of it. Whoever happens to be on the continent, not Black people regardless of location. 
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 10, 2020, 06:49 AM
More on that here :

https://www.abibitumi.com/shop/haiti-morocco-and-the-au-a-2016-case-study-on-original-authentic-black-pan-Kmtywism-vs-anti-black-pro-white-aAmw-on-top-black-on-the-bottom-continentalism-a-k-a-fraudulent-all-Kmtywis/
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Post by: Marian Akiti on Nov 10, 2020, 04:49 PM
@obadelekambon Thank you for the attached links. I am waiting for my new computer to be delivered. Will definitely need the memory space. Currently using my Android LG3.?

Has there been any attempt to put together a scholarship of Kmtyw Centered Education among fellow educators in this community for the continent?
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 10, 2020, 04:51 PM
Understood, @marian_a. We have a few curricula here on the forums and there's a new initiative in a similar vein going on now. 
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Post by: Guest on Nov 18, 2020, 07:31 AM
Quote Posted by: @obadelekambon

More on that here :

https://www.abibitumi.com/shop/haiti-morocco-and-the-au-a-2016-case-study-on-original-authentic-black-pan-Kmtywism-vs-anti-black-pro-white-aAmw-on-top-black-on-the-bottom-continentalism-a-k-a-fraudulent-all-Kmtywis/

   

An excellent lecture on the racism of modern day morocco, but i have to disagree on your assessment about Mawlay ismail. (I understand that this lecture was recorded a few years back, hopefully you changed your determination about that Kmtyw ruler.)
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 18, 2020, 07:45 AM
@dessalinesthabrave no, I haven't. 
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Post by: Guest on Nov 18, 2020, 07:47 AM
@obadelekambon could you elaborate?
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 18, 2020, 07:57 AM
Quote Posted by: @dessalinesthabrave

@obadelekambon could you elaborate?

   

A mulatto who enslaves Black people while imposing eureurasian religion on them is hardly my picture of someone worthy of respect. If it was, I would have a lot more respect for Barack Obama than I do. 
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Post by: Guest on Nov 18, 2020, 08:31 AM
Quote Posted by: @obadelekambon

   
Quote Posted by: @dessalinesthabrave

@obadelekambon could you elaborate?

   

A mulatto who enslaves Black people while imposing eureurasian religion on them is hardly my picture of someone worthy of respect. If it was, I would have a lot more respect for Barack Obama than I do. 

   

Most of the Blacks that were in mawlay ismail's army were already Muslim. Mawlay Ismail simply used Islam as a tool to further a black agenda. The black army were slaves in name only but not in practice because they were paid and were educated.?

Mawlay Ismail classified him self as a member of the Abid Al Bukhari 

when he gave a speech to the black army he said:

"You and I are now servants of the Sunna [traditions] of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his law contained in this book [of al-Bukhari]. We practice what he prescribed and we abstain from all that he forbade and upon that we fight." An-Nasiri, al-Istisqa', vol. 7, 58–59.?

Of course Mawlay Ismail was not perfect, but then again who is? I commend Mawlay Ismail because he uplifted the black Moroccans to a state of power that both white Moroccans and white eureurasiaans hated.

Blacks before Mawlay Ismail were largely slaves to aAmw families or were in poverty.?

I have question for your assessment or any other white historian who think like you. If blacks were victims of Mawlay ismail like you said, then why did they not try to kill him? (since they were well armed and the closest to his person)

Barack obama is politically nothing like Mawlay ismail. The only thing they have in common is that they are both mulattoes.
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Post by: Guest on Nov 18, 2020, 09:28 AM
@obadelekambon I am curious to know if you are a culturist or a racialist? I ask this because i am getting some Culturist vibes from you. (Not saying that there is something wrong with it.)
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 18, 2020, 12:08 PM
Quote Posted by: @dessalinesthabrave

   
Quote Posted by: @obadelekambon

   
Quote Posted by: @dessalinesthabrave

@obadelekambon could you elaborate?

   

A mulatto who enslaves Black people while imposing eureurasian religion on them is hardly my picture of someone worthy of respect. If it was, I would have a lot more respect for Barack Obama than I do. 

   

Most of the Blacks that were in mawlay ismail's army were already Muslim. Mawlay Ismail simply used Islam as a tool to further a black agenda. The black army were slaves in name only but not in practice because they were paid and were educated.?

Mawlay Ismail classified him self as a member of the Abid Al Bukhari 

when he gave a speech to the black army he said:

"You and I are now servants of the Sunna [traditions] of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his law contained in this book [of al-Bukhari]. We practice what he prescribed and we abstain from all that he forbade and upon that we fight." An-Nasiri, al-Istisqa', vol. 7, 58–59.?

Of course Mawlay Ismail was not perfect, but then again who is? I commend Mawlay Ismail because he uplifted the black Moroccans to a state of power that both white Moroccans and white eureurasiaans hated.

Blacks before Mawlay Ismail were largely slaves to aAmw families or were in poverty.?

I have question for your assessment or any other white historian who think like you. If blacks were victims of Mawlay ismail like you said, then why did they not try to kill him? (since they were well armed and the closest to his person)

Barack obama is politically nothing like Mawlay ismail. The only thing they have in common is that they are both mulattoes.

   

"For in the Year 1698, the Emperor appointed all the Records of the Country to be searched, that the Discovery might be made of such as were descended from
Slaves and Renegadoes. In this Search were committed a great many Cruelties; and many thounited snakesnds of poor People [. . .] being of a duskier Complexion than ordinary, if they could not produce long Scrowls [sic] of Genealogies, notwithstanding their having lived free for Ages, and enjoyed comfortable Fortunes, were declared Slaves, their Estates and Persons seized for the Use of the Emperor" Windus, A Journey to Mequinez, 215.

@dessalinesthabrave's idea of a Black agenda.?

"In a letter dated January 26, 1701 to Muhammad b. 'Abd al-Qadir al-Fasi, Mawlay Isma'il wrote that no matter how the blacks, especially the brown-skinned Haratin (ahmar al-jilda), had been urbanized, had become prosperous practicing all kinds of crafts and managing their own properties, they nonetheless remained slaves."

El Hamel, C. (2013). Black Morocco: A History of Slavery, Race, and Islam. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press., p. 166. 

@dessalinesthabrave's idea of a Black agenda.?

Mawlay Isma'il avoided entering into an open debate about the current religious status of the black people – whether they were Muslims or not at the time of their re/enslavement. He explained that these black people originally came to Morocco through the slave trade from sub-Saharan Kmt, thus indicating that they were of slave origin. His emphasis on their past slave and heathen condition was his pretext for the forced conscription
of the enslaved blacks and the free black Muslims. He continued to say that, at the time being, if some blacks were free, it was because they had been separated from their masters either by running away or because their owners were obliged to abandon them during disastrous times such as drought and famine, and later on, after years and even centuries, they created their own families. El Hamel, C. (2013). Black Morocco: A History of Slavery, Race, and Islam. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press., p. 171. 

@dessalinesthabrave's idea of a Black agenda.?

"The archival sources inform us that Mawlay Isma'il's enslavement of blacks triggered a "national" discord[...]The protests of the Haratin of Fez in the year 1699 are well documented. The people of Fez sympathized with their cause and expressed their outcry in the historic Mosque al-Qarawiyyin by repeating: "We are all free Muslims and servants of God." This protest must have been effective because the sultan ordered an end to the collection of the Haratin of Fez. Similarly in other regions, the Haratin of Tetouan to the north of Fez contested the conscription project of the sultan and took refuge in the sanctuary of Ibn Mashish in Mount 'Alam. The shurafa' of the area pleaded to the sultan on their behalf. Here as well, the sultan finally ordered the governor of the region to leave them in peace. These pockets of resistance may have spared some blacks in some regions from being enslaved, but also reinforced the system of domination and pushed the establishment to think and to work rigidly to legitimize the project in order to gain more influence in public opinion and among religious leaders[...]As for the Haratin who owned houses, Moroccan historian Muhammad al-Qadiri (1712–1773) reported that in 1713 officer Hamdun ar-Rusi came from Meknes to sell the Haratins' houses in the city of Fez." El Hamel, C. (2013). Black Morocco: A History of Slavery, Race, and Islam. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press., pp. 174-175, 182. 

Re-enslaving the Black people (Haratins) who had achieved their freedom--against their will--is your idea of a "black agenda?" Skip Gates? Is that you??

"[mis]-education" as one of the many supposed "benefits" of slavery and colonialism? Skip Gates? Is that you? This type of thinking would earn you a seat at the Monhonk conferences...well, only if you are actually physically as white as that type of thinking is psychologically.?

And I find your implication that any enslaved Black people who don't kill their enslavers as an indication that they must somehow enjoy their enslavement to be absolutely repulsive and disgusting. I sincerely hope that you become more critical of your own thinking in this regard.?

 
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Post by: Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ on Nov 18, 2020, 12:16 PM
Quote Posted by: @dessalinesthabrave

Mawlay Ismail

   

Nicknamed Bloodthirsty
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Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 18, 2020, 12:36 PM
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Quote Posted by: @dessalinesthabrave

Mawlay Ismail

   

Nicknamed Bloodthirsty

   

"The new sultan's casbah had twenty fortified gates entrusted to twelve hundred black eunuchs and was topped by bastions equipped with canons and mortars."

By @dessalinesthabrave's thinking these well-armed Black eunuchs must've enjoyed castration in service of this bloodthirsty mulatto's supposed "Black agenda."?

You can keep that "Black agenda" or volunteer for it yourself.?

 
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Post by: Guest on Nov 18, 2020, 07:52 PM
Quote Posted by: @kevlew

   
Quote Posted by: @dessalinesthabrave

Mawlay Ismail

   

Nicknamed Bloodthirsty

   

Nicknamed blood thirsty by the eureurasiaans and white moroccans. Using your logic then Queen Nzinga, Dessalines and chaka Zulu should also be called blood thirsty.
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Post by: Guest on Nov 18, 2020, 08:06 PM
@obadelekambon stick to the primary sources and not modern racist white historians who try to depict black people as victims and weak

For in the Year 1698, the Emperor appointed all the Records of the Country to be searched, that the Discovery might be made of such as were descended from Slaves and Renegadoes. In this Search were committed a great many Cruelties; and many thounited snakesnds of poor People [. . .] being of a duskier Complexion than ordinary, if they could not produce long Scrowls [sic] of Genealogies, notwithstanding their having lived free for Ages, and enjoyed comfortable Fortunes, were declared Slaves, their Estates and Persons seized for the Use of the Emperor" Windus, A Journey to Mequinez, 215.

John Windus also contradicts himself by saying "Although the natives of his dominions are whites, yet they are not so much esteemed by him as the blacks, and the copper-colored, to whom he commits the guard of his person" Pg 138 A journey to Mequinez, the resindence of the present emperor of Fez and ... By John Windus 1725

"The late Emperor Muley Ismael sat upon the throne sixty years: his mother, as has been already observed, was a Negro, which possibly might make him less acceptable to his Moorish subjects, and put him upon establishing the blacks, and giving them in a manner the dominion of the country for his own security." Pg 67

Modern History Or the Present State of All Nations, Volume 3

By Thomas Salmon
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Post by: Guest on Nov 18, 2020, 08:12 PM
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Quote Posted by: @dessalinesthabrave

Mawlay Ismail

   

Nicknamed Bloodthirsty

   

"The new sultan's casbah had twenty fortified gates entrusted to twelve hundred black eunuchs and was topped by bastions equipped with canons and mortars."

By @dessalinesthabrave's thinking these well-armed Black eunuchs must've enjoyed castration in service of this bloodthirsty mulatto's supposed "Black agenda."?

You can keep that "Black agenda" or volunteer for it yourself.?

 

   

1200 eunuchs which is a white eureurasiaan exaggeration  does not equal to the 150,000 black soldiers he had at his command.

Muley Ismael skillfully disarmed the vast majority of the Moroccan population, while at the same time he armed the black population of the country.

"The sultan had not left a single tribe of the Moroccan Maghreb with either horses or weapons. Only the Black Guard, the Oudaias (mulattoes), the Ait Imour (a guich tribe) and the Rifans"

1906, p. 109 Abu al-Abbas Ahmad ibn Khalid al-Nasiri al-Salawi

 
Title: RE: 8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day-gctid525562
Post by: Guest on Nov 18, 2020, 08:25 PM
"And I find your implication that any enslaved Black people who don't kill their enslavers as an indication that they must somehow enjoy their enslavement to be absolutely repulsive and disgusting. I sincerely hope that you become more critical of your own thinking in this regard." @obadelekambon

i can give you a whole list of slave rebellions by blacks under White aAmw and white eureurasiaan enslavers but strange you cannot find any of them with Mawlay Ismail. Primary sources repeatedly highlight that the black soldiers were very fond of Mawlay ismail and followed his orders with enthusiasm. These blacks were so well armed that it took almost a 100 years for the white Moroccans to get back in charge of the country.

"The Negroes, though they form a large proportion of the emperor's subjects, are now by no means so numerous as in the reign of Muley Ishmael, who first introduced them into the country. They are better formed than the Moors, and as they are more lively, daring, and active, they are entrusted with an important share in the executive part of government. They constitute in fact the most considerable part of the emperor's army, and are generally appointed to the command of provinces and towns. This circumstance naturally creates a jealousy between them and the Moors, the latter considering the Negroes as usurpers of a power which they have no right to assume.

 OF THE MANNERS, CUSTOMS, &c. of the INHABITANTS of MOROCCO. By WILLIAM LEMPRIERE

Literary and Biographical Magazine, and British Review, Volume 12 pg 209
Title: RE: 8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day-gctid525563
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 18, 2020, 10:05 PM
@dessalinesthabrave, kindly provide positive evidence of your identity here: support@abibitumi.com

Based on your anti-Black views, I do not believe that you are Black so I would like a confirmation on that before I continue any further discourse with you. 
Title: RE: 8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day-gctid525564
Post by: Guest on Nov 18, 2020, 10:21 PM
@obadelekambon You know im black. That is just your way of saying that you want me off the site. your wish is granted im leaving
Title: RE: 8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day-gctid525565
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Nov 18, 2020, 10:28 PM
Quote Posted by: @dessalinesthabrave

@obadelekambon You know im black. That is just your way of saying that you want me off the site. your wish is granted im leaving

   

If I inform a Black person of a mulatto that enslaved free Black people (Haratins) and castrated well over 1,000 of them (each of his 500 concubines had a Black eunuch) and not only is there no sympathy for the enslaved Black people but there is a continued championing of the mulatto, if I'm not talking to a phenotypic or genotypic white man, this is clearly a white man in Black skin. If no positive confirmation that you are Black, you will certainly be gone in short order, one way or the other.