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Afrikan Liberation Institute => Philosophy => Topic started by: Atelemuyen on Jul 23, 2008, 05:07 PM

Title: Modern Thinking.-gctid29476
Post by: Atelemuyen on Jul 23, 2008, 05:07 PM
Black a Euphenism?

The term 'black' used to described peoples of Kmtyw descent is what i see to be a psychological weapon that the West use to their advantage.
As a Yoruba boy i would totaly agree with amybody who had suggested that the term black was invented in every language to describe the colour of my skin; but nowadays i'm not to sure.
I am not 100% sure, but it is suggested in the Yoruba dialect that 'dudu' is the most direct translation to 'black' as you can possibly get. However, if my description was to be correctly given using the Yoruba tongue, then, the result would be subjected on the term Adulawö rather than dudu l'awö; this i think makes a significgnt difference.
I would propose that we ditch the term 'black' as a description of any human kind and find some other alternative.
Title: Modern Thinking.-gctid29804
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Aug 06, 2008, 06:56 AM
QuoteAtelemuyen;29476 wrote: Black a Euphenism?

The term 'black' used to described peoples of Kmtyw descent is what i see to be a psychological weapon that the West use to their advantage.
As a Yoruba boy i would totaly agree with amybody who had suggested that the term black was invented in every language to describe the colour of my skin; but nowadays i'm not to sure.
I am not 100% sure, but it is suggested in the Yoruba dialect that 'dudu' is the most direct translation to 'black' as you can possibly get. However, if my description was to be correctly given using the Yoruba tongue, then, the result would be subjected on the term Adulawö rather than dudu l'awö; this i think makes a significgnt difference.
I would propose that we ditch the term 'black' as a description of any human kind and find some other alternative.
The du in Adulawo is an abbreviation of dudu - Black

A - nominalizing agent (i.e. converts the contents of the word to 1 noun)
du - Black
ni - in
awo - color

Adulawo, one who is Black in color
Title: Modern Thinking.-gctid30061
Post by: Atelemuyen on Aug 08, 2008, 11:20 AM
I'm not so sure.
 
The term 'Adulawo' is a descriptive noun such that the ancient Yorubas chose to use this oppose to 'dudu l'awo' because it best describes us(i.e dudu; is a qualification of description rather than definition - the definition is that aYoruba man's skin is nearest to being dudu than any other colour in Eshumare). And you can relate that to the politics of the language used in reference to Adulawo. It is just like 'Pupa' could mean red, yellow or any kind of colour in its classification. But once you use the qualification 'looks like', then that simply means that it is not exactly what you are qualifying it with.
Title: Modern Thinking.-gctid30066
Post by: Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé on Aug 08, 2008, 04:21 PM
QuoteAtelemuyen;30061 wrote: I'm not so sure.
 
The term 'Adulawo' is a descriptive noun such that the ancient Yorubas chose to use this oppose to 'dudu l'awo' because it best describes us(i.e dudu; is a qualification of description rather than definition - the definition is that aYoruba man's skin is nearest to being dudu than any other colour in Eshumare). And you can relate that to the politics of the language used in reference to Adulawo. It is just like 'Pupa' could mean red, yellow or any kind of colour in its classification. But once you use the qualification 'looks like', then that simply means that it is not exactly what you are qualifying it with.
I appreciate your response. As you may well know, dudu l'awo is not a noun. Adulawo is composed of the parts in order to make a noun in a similar fashion to akorin, abanisoro, ayara-bii-asa, akowe. The a makes an agent which is used to combine various nouns, adjectives, verbs, etc into one single coherent noun. Dudu l'awo is simply an incomplete phrase. O dudu l'awo - he/she/it is Black in color. The means of nominalizing this phrase, based on standard morphology (rules of noun creation in Yoruba) is to add the nominalizing agent /a/ as is the case in thounited snakesnds of other nouns. I think your consternation is cause by looking at two disparate categories, one being a noun, Adulawo -translated into english as one-who-is-Black-in-color, and the other being an adjectival phrase, dudu lawo - Black in color.

Dudu l'awo and Adulawo are not interchangeable and could not be because they are not even in the same linguistic category.

I'm not sure how ancient the term is that I could give a date of creation. However, the creation of this term as interchangeable with Kmtyw is deep in its understanding and consistency throughout Kmt:

Look at the following examples:

Akan: Abibifoͻ - Kmtyw a-prefix added for person/agent | bibi-Black | fo-people

Also found in Abibiman - Kmt (literally land of the Blacks) man - nation/land

Yoruba: Adúláwò - Kmtyw a-prefix added for person/agent | dú-Black | láwò-in color

Also found in Ilë Adúláwò - Kmt (literally land of the Blacks) Ile - land

Wolof: Nit-Ñu-Ñuul Nit-person/people | Ñu- who are (pluralizer) | Ñuul-Black

Also found in Reewu Nit-Ñu-Ñuul - Kmt (literally land of the Blacks) Reewu - land of (Most Wolof use lakk nasaraan (french) afrique or afrik spelled in the Wolof way)

Kikongo: Bandômbe - Kmtyw Ba - prefix denoting persons/people Ndômbe - Black

Also found in Nsi a Bandômbe - Kmt (literally land of the Blacks) Nsi - land a - of

and we all know of the Kmt connection...Kmt-Land of the Blacks
(https://www.abibitumikasa.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fayette.k12.il.us%2Ftechcurr%2Frhonda%2Fkmt.gif&hash=3375ea63b78c969954ac8dc55e1c1985cc244791)

This rules out dutch boers, a-rab invaders (not referring to the millions of Kmtyws stolen and/or sold into enslavement to a-rabs over the past few thounited snakesnd years)

This illustrates how based on our own linguistic categorization, Kmtywness has certain not only phenotypical requirements, but genetic denotations that result in phenotypical state of dudu, which as you aptly point out can cover a wide spectrum as it does in describing those who we may refer to interchangeably as Black or Kmtyw. The only confusion occurs when we approach it from the eureurasiaan worldview as expressed through their impoverished language which splits Kmtyw and Black into distinct words as opposed to Kmtyw languages which, as we see illustrated above, closely relate the two time and time again.

Stay BlackNificent!

Obadele