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Abibifahodie family!!

Ok so, this post might be a little scatter-brained and all over the place so I apologize in advance.

Yesterday I finally finished all three parts of the ZOH TV Interview of Dr. Obadele Kambon - "Defining the Kmtyw Faith." As usual, I thought Dr. Kambon did a great job in bringing the information forward in a very understandable way.

Like so many of our people, I was raised Christian, and while I never was baptized, and left the confines of crakkka Jesus worship over twenty years ago, I can't help but feel the lingering effects of the spiritual colonization. Particularly as it relates to my perception of the Kmtyw Traditional Systems. Now, I will say that even in being unsure of where to start or which tradition to implement, I once visited Oyotunji Kmtyw Village, and that experience opened my eyes to Ifa (if even only slightly).

Ever since that visit, I kind of had Ifa in the back of my mind, but only in the last 3-4 years has my curiosity regarding Ifa started to come back to the forefront.  I've watched some videos of people giving their accounts/experiences within the tradition, and unfortunately there are plenty horror stories there - with regards to people being taken advantage of by so-called priests and priestesses. I know there's no such thing as a "perfect" community or practice, but that makes me hesitant to explore the tradition let alone go about the process of being initiated. I also heard stories of folks just spontaneously dying or coming down with some unknown ailment while invoking the "wrong" divinity at the wrong time.  These could be exaggerations of course, but for someone like me one the outside looking in, with zero knowledge or experience you have to admit that's not very enticing.

I think that it's only right, with regards to the on-going process of Sankofa and Re-Kmtywization in general that the spiritual component is just as important as anything else. I'm hesitant because of some of the things that I've heard. Of course, I'm aware of the global campaign to discredit any and all traditional Kmtyw Systems by painting them all as witch-craft and backwards but at the same time, some of these stories are concerning. I'd like to think that the Orisha/Loas etc. aren't just a band of blood-thirsty disembodied spirits waiting to pounce down on unsuspecting foolish people, however - this is exactly what we're led to believe via western media and interpretation.

Please excuse any ignorance on my part, I don't mean to offend, I just want to make sure everyone knows where I'm coming from. If there's already another post dealing with this very topic, feel free to point me to it and I'll go there.

I'd like to ask anyone for their experiences with any Kmtyw tradition. Which do you practice, and how were you able to implement it into your daily life?

Can anyone recommend any books, lectures babalawos/iyaloshas or communities to study Ifa specifically?

Also, any general advice would be appreciated as well.

Oh, and for my linguists in particular, would you mind sharing with me a short libation in Yoruba ?

meda ase

[Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀]

Keyinde_Shabaka;244353 wrote: Abibifahodie family!!

Ok so, this post might be a little scatter-brained and all over the place so I apologize in advance.

Yesterday I finally finished all three parts of the ZOH TV Interview of Dr. Obadele Kambon - "Defining the Kmtyw Faith." As usual, I thought Dr. Kambon did a great job in bringing the information forward in a very understandable way.

Like so many of our people, I was raised Christian, and while I never was baptized, and left the confines of crakkka Jesus worship over twenty years ago, I can't help but feel the lingering effects of the spiritual colonization. Particularly as it relates to my perception of the Kmtyw Traditional Systems. Now, I will say that even in being unsure of where to start or which tradition to implement, I once visited Oyotunji Kmtyw Village, and that experience opened my eyes to Ifa (if even only slightly).

Ever since that visit, I kind of had Ifa in the back of my mind, but only in the last 3-4 years has my curiosity regarding Ifa started to come back to the forefront.  I've watched some videos of people giving their accounts/experiences within the tradition, and unfortunately there are plenty horror stories there - with regards to people being taken advantage of by so-called priests and priestesses. I know there's no such thing as a "perfect" community or practice, but that makes me hesitant to explore the tradition let alone go about the process of being initiated. I also heard stories of folks just spontaneously dying or coming down with some unknown ailment while invoking the "wrong" divinity at the wrong time.  These could be exaggerations of course, but for someone like me one the outside looking in, with zero knowledge or experience you have to admit that's not very enticing.

I think that it's only right, with regards to the on-going process of Sankofa and Re-Kmtywization in general that the spiritual component is just as important as anything else. I'm hesitant because of some of the things that I've heard. Of course, I'm aware of the global campaign to discredit any and all traditional Kmtyw Systems by painting them all as witch-craft and backwards but at the same time, some of these stories are concerning. I'd like to think that the Orisha/Loas etc. aren't just a band of blood-thirsty disembodied spirits waiting to pounce down on unsuspecting foolish people, however - this is exactly what we're led to believe via western media and interpretation.

Please excuse any ignorance on my part, I don't mean to offend, I just want to make sure everyone knows where I'm coming from. If there's already another post dealing with this very topic, feel free to point me to it and I'll go there.

I'd like to ask anyone for their experiences with any Kmtyw tradition. Which do you practice, and how were you able to implement it into your daily life?

Can anyone recommend any books, lectures babalawos/iyaloshas or communities to study Ifa specifically?

Also, any general advice would be appreciated as well.

Oh, and for my linguists in particular, would you mind sharing with me a short libation in Yoruba ?

meda ase

We only learn by asking so by all means questions are a good thing.  We recently just had a great lecture by Dr. Kamalu posted in the photo video forum.  I plan on be bringing more people on to have concerns and questions like yours answered hopefully.

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We must act as if we answer to, and only answer to, our Ancestors, our children, and the unborn.

Amilcar Cabral

[Agya Yaw]

Keyinde_Shabaka;244353 wrote: Abibifahodie family!!

Ok so, this post might be a little scatter-brained and all over the place so I apologize in advance.

Yesterday I finally finished all three parts of the ZOH TV Interview of Dr. Obadele Kambon - "Defining the Kmtyw Faith." As usual, I thought Dr. Kambon did a great job in bringing the information forward in a very understandable way.

Like so many of our people, I was raised Christian, and while I never was baptized, and left the confines of crakkka Jesus worship over twenty years ago, I can't help but feel the lingering effects of the spiritual colonization. Particularly as it relates to my perception of the Kmtyw Traditional Systems. Now, I will say that even in being unsure of where to start or which tradition to implement, I once visited Oyotunji Kmtyw Village, and that experience opened my eyes to Ifa (if even only slightly).

Ever since that visit, I kind of had Ifa in the back of my mind, but only in the last 3-4 years has my curiosity regarding Ifa started to come back to the forefront.  I've watched some videos of people giving their accounts/experiences within the tradition, and unfortunately there are plenty horror stories there - with regards to people being taken advantage of by so-called priests and priestesses. I know there's no such thing as a "perfect" community or practice, but that makes me hesitant to explore the tradition let alone go about the process of being initiated. I also heard stories of folks just spontaneously dying or coming down with some unknown ailment while invoking the "wrong" divinity at the wrong time.  These could be exaggerations of course, but for someone like me one the outside looking in, with zero knowledge or experience you have to admit that's not very enticing.

I think that it's only right, with regards to the on-going process of Sankofa and Re-Kmtywization in general that the spiritual component is just as important as anything else. I'm hesitant because of some of the things that I've heard. Of course, I'm aware of the global campaign to discredit any and all traditional Kmtyw Systems by painting them all as witch-craft and backwards but at the same time, some of these stories are concerning. I'd like to think that the Orisha/Loas etc. aren't just a band of blood-thirsty disembodied spirits waiting to pounce down on unsuspecting foolish people, however - this is exactly what we're led to believe via western media and interpretation.

Please excuse any ignorance on my part, I don't mean to offend, I just want to make sure everyone knows where I'm coming from. If there's already another post dealing with this very topic, feel free to point me to it and I'll go there.

I'd like to ask anyone for their experiences with any Kmtyw tradition. Which do you practice, and how were you able to implement it into your daily life?

Can anyone recommend any books, lectures babalawos/iyaloshas or communities to study Ifa specifically?

Also, any general advice would be appreciated as well.

Oh, and for my linguists in particular, would you mind sharing with me a short libation in Yoruba ?

meda ase

I will answer you with a question. How many horror stories have you heard within christianity? I have heard/read about/seen plenty. There are people who don't know what they are doing but claim to and hustlers everywhere. It's good to ask questions such as the one you posed. But you in a lot of respects you have answered your own question by identifying the problem of your reluctance in engaging an Kmtyw traditional belief system.

Personally my experience has been positive. With that I'm not a natural, "see it once" joiner of anything. So I tend stand on the side and check things out carefully before I seriously become involved with anything. I suggest you do the same.

[Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀]

Keyinde_Shabaka;244353 wrote: Abibifahodie family!!

Ok so, this post might be a little scatter-brained and all over the place so I apologize in advance.

Yesterday I finally finished all three parts of the ZOH TV Interview of Dr. Obadele Kambon - "Defining the Kmtyw Faith." As usual, I thought Dr. Kambon did a great job in bringing the information forward in a very understandable way.

Like so many of our people, I was raised Christian, and while I never was baptized, and left the confines of crakkka Jesus worship over twenty years ago, I can't help but feel the lingering effects of the spiritual colonization. Particularly as it relates to my perception of the Kmtyw Traditional Systems. Now, I will say that even in being unsure of where to start or which tradition to implement, I once visited Oyotunji Kmtyw Village, and that experience opened my eyes to Ifa (if even only slightly).

Ever since that visit, I kind of had Ifa in the back of my mind, but only in the last 3-4 years has my curiosity regarding Ifa started to come back to the forefront.  I've watched some videos of people giving their accounts/experiences within the tradition, and unfortunately there are plenty horror stories there - with regards to people being taken advantage of by so-called priests and priestesses. I know there's no such thing as a "perfect" community or practice, but that makes me hesitant to explore the tradition let alone go about the process of being initiated. I also heard stories of folks just spontaneously dying or coming down with some unknown ailment while invoking the "wrong" divinity at the wrong time.  These could be exaggerations of course, but for someone like me one the outside looking in, with zero knowledge or experience you have to admit that's not very enticing.

I think that it's only right, with regards to the on-going process of Sankofa and Re-Kmtywization in general that the spiritual component is just as important as anything else. I'm hesitant because of some of the things that I've heard. Of course, I'm aware of the global campaign to discredit any and all traditional Kmtyw Systems by painting them all as witch-craft and backwards but at the same time, some of these stories are concerning. I'd like to think that the Orisha/Loas etc. aren't just a band of blood-thirsty disembodied spirits waiting to pounce down on unsuspecting foolish people, however - this is exactly what we're led to believe via western media and interpretation.

Please excuse any ignorance on my part, I don't mean to offend, I just want to make sure everyone knows where I'm coming from. If there's already another post dealing with this very topic, feel free to point me to it and I'll go there.

I'd like to ask anyone for their experiences with any Kmtyw tradition. Which do you practice, and how were you able to implement it into your daily life?

Can anyone recommend any books, lectures babalawos/iyaloshas or communities to study Ifa specifically?

Also, any general advice would be appreciated as well.

Oh, and for my linguists in particular, would you mind sharing with me a short libation in Yoruba ?

meda ase

Brother hopefully you received some feedback that was useful.  I think hesitancy and anxiety are an expected reaction when learning anything new. Throw in the intentional propaganda war against our culture and it's even more understandable.  I am hopeful to have guests in our discussion series to address some of the concerns and questions you are having.  For starters if not done already check out our Dr. Chukwunyere Kamalu discussion in the photos and videos forum. He is joining us this Saturday at 11am est for part two.  Hope this helps.

______________________________________________

We must act as if we answer to, and only answer to, our Ancestors, our children, and the unborn.

Amilcar Cabral

[Keyinde_Shabaka]

kevlew;245591 wrote: Brother hopefully you received some feedback that was useful.  I think hesitancy and anxiety are an expected reaction when learning anything new. Throw in the intentional propaganda war against our culture and it's even more understandable.  I am hopeful to have guests in our discussion series to address some of the concerns and questions you are having.  For starters if not done already check out our Dr. Chukwunyere Kamalu discussion in the photos and videos forum. He is joining us this Saturday at 11am est for part two.  Hope this helps.

______________________________________________

We must act as if we answer to, and only answer to, our Ancestors, our children, and the unborn.

Amilcar Cabral

Eṣe gan,

I'll check the vids you referred to. And yes,  there's some hesitancy involved that I have to work through on my own.  I was just hoping to get some clarity from family that practices a system in their everyday life.

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