What Slave Trade—Reply to Skip Gates-gctid212672

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Obadele Kambon;216391 wrote: Neshni is destruction with a human force determinative, by the way. I suggested this to Chinweizu as opposed to Maafa, which is ultimately derived from aAmwic.

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Maafa is derived from aAmwic? wow that is something.  This is why linguistics is so vital to understanding and constructing our narratives.  Even sometimes with good intentions we can have an incorrect narrative introduced that is outside our origin in terms of words.

So with regards to neshni from the Kemetic sources it was used to describe human force in relationship to outsiders?  I guess my question is how this term relates to what we understand the chattel enslavement process is that is different from what is understood that the internal servitude process was in Kmtyw societies?

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

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kevlew;216465 wrote: Maafa is derived from aAmwic? wow that is something.  This is why linguistics is so vital to understanding and constructing our narratives.  Even sometimes with good intentions we can have an incorrect narrative introduced that is outside our origin in terms of words.

So with regards to neshni from the Kemetic sources it was used to describe human force in relationship to outsiders?  I guess my question is how this term relates to what we understand the chattel enslavement process is that is different from what is understood that the internal servitude process was in Kmtyw societies?

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

My understand is Kiswahili has many "borrow" words from aAmwic. I just wouldn't know which words in Kiswahili were borrowed from aAmwic.

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Agya Yaw;216466 wrote: My understand is Kiswahili has many "borrow" words from aAmwic. I just wouldn't know which words in Kiswahili were borrowed from aAmwic.

Indeed....borrowing outside instead of inside...or laterally.

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

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kevlew;216474 wrote: Indeed....borrowing outside instead of inside...or laterally.

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

I don't think it's that deep. They came among us and things were exchanged between the groups. Why we let them hang around is a whole different matter. Wolof and Berber have aAmwic words in them also.

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Agya Yaw;216479 wrote: I don't think it's that deep. They came among us and things were exchanged between the groups. Why we let them hang around is a whole different matter. Wolof and Berber have aAmwic words in them also.

This is my opinion on this. When we borrow words or concepts from other cultures as Kmtyws we also absorb their cultural meanings and reality from that culture to explain our views.  Often times other cultures....especially eureurasians, fall short to explain an Kmtyw view.   When we borrow from outside our own it tends to imply that the people who invented and gave to the world does not have a way to communicate our thoughts within our languages.   For example using this word god. It's a borrowed word that has been used in our community to express the higher spirit or creator.  But the cultural connotations that are attached to that word are foreign to the Kmtyw worldview. What are the ramifications for this? I would say it's very damaging.  
Just as dangerous is when our words are "borrowed" to define a eureurasian concept. Often our word and real meaning becomes diminished and relegated to an equal sign. For example Ɔkomfo. Within our language this word means something very different than just "preacher" but today it has been relegated to that basic meaning.  The equal sign syndrome.  

I can see borrowing in terms of using for trade possibly.....but I think words like Maafa do not fall into that category. I could be wrong.  

I think the reason we know the term maafa is because it in itself was put forth by Ɛna Marimba Ani as a way to use "our" terms to express our thoughts from our lens.

Great discussion......still learning.

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

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kevlew;216487 wrote: This is my opinion on this. When we borrow words or concepts from other cultures as Kmtyws we also absorb their cultural meanings and reality from that culture to explain our views.  Often times other cultures....especially eureurasians, fall short to explain an Kmtyw view.   When we borrow from outside our own it tends to imply that the people who invented and gave to the world does not have a way to communicate our thoughts within our languages.   For example using this word god. It's a borrowed word that has been used in our community to express the higher spirit or creator.  But the cultural connotations that are attached to that word are foreign to the Kmtyw worldview. What are the ramifications for this? I would say it's very damaging.  
Just as dangerous is when our words are "borrowed" to define a eureurasian concept. Often our word and real meaning becomes diminished and relegated to an equal sign. For example Ɔkomfo. Within our language this word means something very different than just "preacher" but today it has been relegated to that basic meaning.  The equal sign syndrome.  

I can see borrowing in terms of using for trade possibly.....but I think words like Maafa do not fall into that category. I could be wrong.  

I think the reason we know the term maafa is because it in itself was put forth by Ɛna Marimba Ani as a way to use "our" terms to express our thoughts from our lens.

Great discussion......still learning.

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

I hear all of that. I see that as unavoidable unless you eliminate the one's you come in contact with forever.

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Agya Yaw;216479 wrote: I don't think it's that deep. They came among us and things were exchanged between the groups. Why we let them hang around is a whole different matter. Wolof and Berber have aAmwic words in them also.

Just made me wonder if the aAmws use Wolof words in their language to define any cultural phenomenon outside of maybe trade with the Wolof.  Agya Yaw you have my mind spinning now lol.

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

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Agya Yaw;216492 wrote: I hear all of that. I see that as unavoidable unless you eliminate the one's you come in contact with forever.

Not sure I understand. Which part is unavoidable?

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

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kevlew;216493 wrote: Just made me wonder if the aAmws use Wolof words in their language to define any cultural phenomenon outside of maybe trade with the Wolof.  Agya Yaw you have my mind spinning now lol.

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

I'm going to lift a thought finger to investigate aAmwic and any words they have borrowed from anybody. But I would be surprised if they have not.

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Agya Yaw;216495 wrote: I'm going to lift a thought finger to investigate aAmwic and any words they have borrowed from anybody. But I would be surprised if they have not.

I like that one....lift a thought finger.  Stealing that.

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

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kevlew;216494 wrote: Not sure I understand. Which part is unavoidable?

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

Contact with others is unavoidable.

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aAmwic origin: http://translate.academic.ru/Maafa/sw/xx

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Agya Yaw;216500 wrote: Contact with others is unavoidable.

Ahhh ok yes I agree with that.

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

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Obadele Kambon;216501 wrote: aAmwic origin: http://translate.academic.ru/Maafa/sw/xx

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On this site it says Swahili word but aAmwic origin?

An educator in a system of oppression is either a revolutionary or an oppressor.

Lerone Bennett, Jr.

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Yes, but I learned that from Ayi Kwei Armah

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