What was Israel in relation to Kmtyw people?-gctid216823

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Try this: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z4m4nzrbjqqio2i/AACNvbsmCamsT3mhUI_6Bf-ta?dl=0

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Obadele Kambon;217103 wrote: Try this: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z4m4nzrbjqqio2i/AACNvbsmCamsT3mhUI_6Bf-ta?dl=0

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That works...

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Obadele Kambon;217103 wrote: Try this: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z4m4nzrbjqqio2i/AACNvbsmCamsT3mhUI_6Bf-ta?dl=0

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Medase

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AsafoKwame;217135 wrote: Medase

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Yɛnni aseda!

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Obadele Kambon;216925 wrote: @AsafoKwame, if that's what it looked like to you, you may want to brush up on your Mdw Ntr right fast.
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Using gardiner's transcription method, it would read ysrỉȝr
Using allen's transcription method, it would read yzrjȝr

Note that to represent /i/ with /j/ follows the IPA, which in turn follows the practice in nordic languages where what is referred to as the long /e/ sound in english is represented by /j/.

This begs the question then of what are the possible ways the scribe could have represented the sound and meaning of jezreel in Mdw Ntr.

Both sound similar, but it is apparent from the wikipedia entries that the meaning of jezreel fits best contextually in referring to the seed that is sown. Moreover, it also fits best within the context of the fact that there is no corroborating evidence for any existence of israel until much later chronologically, centuries later that is, when biblical nonsense appears.

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AsafoKwame;221866 wrote: This begs the question then of what are the possible ways the scribe could have represented the sound and meaning of jezreel in Mdw Ntr.

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You've got it backwards. The question is how the stele's , the first occurrence in history of such "people", is to be transliterated. You have already been provided with the answer to that. If you're stuck on Jezreel, go through the uniliterals and let me know when you find a cobra. That will give you the English /d͡ʒ/ sound you're looking for.

AsafoKwame;221866 wrote: Both sound similar

No, they don't.

 

AsafoKwame;221866 wrote: but it is apparent from the wikipedia entries

The blind leading the blind.

AsafoKwame;221866 wrote: that the meaning of jezreel fits best contextually in referring to the seed that is sown. Moreover, it also fits best within the context of the fact that there is no corroborating evidence for any existence of israel until much later chronologically, centuries later that is, when biblical nonsense appears.

This is quite ahistorical and self-contradictory. The Merneptah stele is from 1213 to 1203 BCE. "Corroborating evidence" in terms of archaeological excavations, dating of pottery, etc., date Jezreel from the early 9th century BCE. What you're trying to do is take Jezreel and work backwards to force it into the Mdw Ntr (obviously without being able to read Mdw Ntr, by the way) rather than take the Mdw Ntr, which antedates Jezreel or anything else as the valid source and then work your way forward.

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Obadele Kambon;222012 wrote: You've got it backwards. The question is how the stele's , the first occurrence in history of such "people", is to be transliterated. You have already been provided with the answer to that. If you're stuck on Jezreel, go through the uniliterals and let me know when you find a cobra. That will give you the English /d͡ʒ/ sound you're looking for.

No, I don't have it backwards. No, I'm not looking for any english sound. Although transliteration can be revealing, I'm not stuck on transliteration, because I'm focused on what is more substantive, which is the translation.

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AsafoKwame;222048 wrote: No, I don't have it backwards. No, I'm not looking for any english sound. Although transliteration can be revealing, I'm not stuck on transliteration, because I'm focused on what is more substantive, which is the translation.

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Okay, thanks.

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Obadele Kambon;222012 wrote:
This is quite ahistorical and self-contradictory. The Merneptah stele is from 1213 to 1203 BCE. "Corroborating evidence" in terms of archaeological excavations, dating of pottery, etc., date Jezreel from the early 9th century BCE. What you're trying to do is take Jezreel and work backwards to force it into the Mdw Ntr (obviously without being able to read Mdw Ntr, by the way) rather than take the Mdw Ntr, which antedates Jezreel or anything else as the valid source and then work your way forward.

Do you have a source for the archaelogical dating of jezreel to the early 9th century?

The Merneptah stele itself is one piece of evidence for jezreel since the meaning of jezreel is illustrated directly beside. So there is no need to work backwards as you state.

Hence I am able to take Mdw Ntr and work forward knowing biblical nonsense, especially lies including israel, is often wrongly promoted in chronologically backwards fashion.

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AsafoKwame;222195 wrote: Do you have a source for the archaelogical dating of jezreel to the early 9th century?

The Merneptah stele itself is one piece of evidence for jezreel since the meaning of jezreel is illustrated directly beside. So there is no need to work backwards as you state.

Hence I am able to take Mdw Ntr and work forward knowing biblical nonsense, especially lies including israel, is often wrongly promoted in chronologically backwards fashion.

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I believe the reference to jezreel being associated with the Mernepath stele was already addressed above and corrected using the correct methods.  Saying that leaves the search for the source of it being tied to the 9th century BC.

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AsafoKwame;222195 wrote: Do you have a source for the archaelogical dating of jezreel to the early 9th century?

The Merneptah stele itself is one piece of evidence for jezreel since the meaning of jezreel is illustrated directly beside. So there is no need to work backwards as you state.

Hence I am able to take Mdw Ntr and work forward knowing biblical nonsense, especially lies including israel, is often wrongly promoted in chronologically backwards fashion.

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I by far am not the authority on this.  Here is a link that may help your research.

http://archaeology.tau.ac.il/?page_id=2051

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Nana Patrice Lumumba.

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kevlew;222196 wrote: I believe the reference to jezreel being associated with the Mernepath stele was already addressed above and corrected using the correct methods.  Saying that leaves the search for the source of it being tied to the 9th century BC.

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"The day will come when history will speak. But it will not be the history which will be taught in Brussels, Paris, Washington or the United Nations...Kmt will write its own history and in both north and south it will be a history of glory and dignity".
Nana Patrice Lumumba.

Yes, the Merneptah stele references people not having seed. Thus, the meaning of Jezreel or Yezreel associates with this very well. As for archaelogical dating, looks like the link you provide states that small villages existed there during the time period of the Merneptah stele in the so called Bronze Age. This also fits well with the use of a determinative for people.

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AsafoKwame;222395 wrote: Yes, the Merneptah stele references people not having seed. Thus, the meaning of Jezreel or Yezreel associates with this very well. As for archaelogical dating, looks like the link you provide states that small villages existed there during the time period of the Merneptah stele in the so called Bronze Age. This also fits well with the use of a determinative for people.

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Ok thanks.

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Nana Patrice Lumumba.

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Anyone read or heard of this book?

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles

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What I usually ask is, show us just ONE burial site of ANYBODY prominent in the Bible. And I promise you "IN THE NAME OF Jesus" that you can't do it. (Pun intended).
Yet Ancient Kemetic Mummies thounited snakesnds of years older are being found.

KNOWing is better than beLIEving.