Great Pan-Kmtywists Married to cauceurasian (white) women-gctid256284

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kevlew;256449 wrote: Enemies who allied with other eureurasians...

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John Henry Clarke described the rivalry  between the Libyans and the Egyptians and the Nubians and the Egyptians as a family dispute.

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[Chance]

cuitocuanavale;256429 wrote: I am not trying to cape for Nkrumah or his light skinned wife. I really don't care that much about it because his policies against imperialism were more important. Just look at all of the sellout Kmtyw leaders with wives as dark as midnight....

The point is that neither she or Nasser were white. Now we can invent terms like white aAmw, sub Caucasoid crakkkasoid all we want. I have even met some purist and extremists who say that all Ethiopians are Eureurasian whites(lmao). But these terms will not change reality and they are ultimately based upon social constructs that we invent.

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I know you mean no harm brother. Not trying to attack you. I just wanted to share my opinion on the issue.

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cuitocuanavale;256452 wrote: Yes. They saw the Libyans as their enemies just like they did the Nubians for the majority of the history of Kemet. But that description a lone does not give us any details about their ethnography.

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I posted this to go with the nations depiction so that we get s sense of what the people they described were depicted as by them in their own words.

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[Chance]

kevlew;256427 wrote: I saw a video where the widow of Thomas Sankara was honored.

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Meda ase. Imma check it out.

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Efuany;256450 wrote: This "anything with black is black" mentality will kill us. It's like when Americans say "bi-racial black" or "multiracial black"? What in the name of Heru is that supposed to mean? If I have to wonder what you are, you are not black.

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In Tanzania and Kenya they have this same discussion about Albinos. Many Albinos there are persecuted and killed by those who do not see them as Black.

Personally I hate the debate about whether or not biracial and multiracial people are black. It is annoying to me because for one blackness is a social construct and two the same people who are constantly debating about the position of biracials do absolutely nothing and say nothing to the coons and bedwenches that sleep with crackers and create these people in the first place. If we are so hell bent on Biracials not being black, then those who sleep with crakkkers should get the death penalty or the social equivalent of that in banishment and dissassociation.

Also I find it fascinating how the same people who say that Biracials and Multiracials are not black will willingly accept coons and race traitors like Clarence Thomas, Mbutu, Allen West, and Jesse Lee Peterson as black even though they do everything to promote and facilitate white supremacy. They might as well be classified as crakkkers in black skin but because they are dark they get to be accepted as Black by the majority of us.

Do I trust biracial and multiracial people?? the majority of the time, absolutely not, however I know that most full black people with black parents have the same sickness and love for crakkkers that Biracial do. It is something that is so pervasive. The point is that we have to establish consistency.

If a biracial person is not black, then none of their children are black even if they have them with a black person, no exceptions. Also if biracials aren't black then the coons and bedwenches that created them are not Black. Race traitors that work with crakkkers and facilitate the objectives of these disgusting diseased beast should also not be classified as Black.

Ultimately the reason that I hate these types of conversations is due to the lack of consistency. People go one step in one direction than allow all types of exceptions. For me this is not and can never be true liberation.

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cuitocuanavale;256458 wrote: In Tanzania and Kenya they have this same discussion about Albinos. Many Albinos there are persecuted and killed by those who do not see them as Black.

Personally I hate the debate about whether or not biracial and multiracial people are black. It is annoying to me because for one blackness is a social construct and two the same people who are constantly debating about the position of biracials do absolutely nothing and say nothing to the coons and bedwenches that sleep with crackers and create these people in the first place. If we are so hell bent on Biracials not being black, them those who sleep with crackers should get the death penalty or the social equivalent of that in banishment and dissassociation.

Also I find it fascinating how the same people who say that Biracials and Multiracials are not black will willingly accept coons and race traitors like Clarence Thomas, Mbutu, Allen West, and Jesse Lee Peterson as black even though they do everything to promote and facilitate white supremacy. They might as well be classified as crakkkers in black skin but because they are dark they get to be accepted as Black by the majority of us.

Do I trust biracial and multiracial people?? the majority of the time, absolutely not, however I know that most full black people with black parents have the same sickness and love for crakkkers that Biracial do. It is something that is so pervasive. The point is that we have to establish conaistency.

If a biracial person is not black, them none of their children are black even if they have them with a black person, no acceptions. Also if biracials aren't blacl then the coons and bedwenches that created them are not Black. Race traitors that work with crakkkers and facilitate the objectives of these disgusting diseased beast should also not be classified as Black.

Ultimately the reason that I hate these types of conversations is due to the lack of consistency. People go one step in one direction than allow all types of exceptions. For me this is not and can never be true liberation.

This discussion has been had here as well.

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Chance;256454 wrote: I know you mean no harm brother. Not trying to attack you. I just wanted to share my opinion on the issue.

absolutely. I meant no harm in my response either. All respect

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cuitocuanavale;256452 wrote: Yes. They saw the Libyans as their enemies just like they did the Nubians for the majority of the history of Kemet. But that description a lone does not give us any details about their ethnography.

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Can you cite where this is shown? Where it is mentioned that they were called enemies?  Appreciate it.  I find it strange because Kemet was made up of various Nubian groups.

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kevlew;256461 wrote: Can you cite where this is shown? Where it is mentioned that they were called enemies?  Appreciate it.  I find it strange because Kemet was made up of various Nubian groups.

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Here is an excerpt from the Biography of Weni. It is from around the 6th dynasty and it mentions who the enemies were at that time and the Nubians of various sections seem to be in alliance as far back as this time period.

When his majesty took action against the eurasiatic Sand-dwellers, his majesty made an army of many tens of thounited snakesnds from all of Upper Egypt: from Yebu in the south to Medenyt in the north; from Lower Egypt: from all of the Two-Sides-of-the-House and from Sedjer and Khen-sedjru; and from Irtjet-Nubians, MedjaNubians, Yam-Nubians, Wawat-Nubians, Kaau-Nubians; and from Tjemeh-land.

His majesty sent me at the head of this army, there being counts, royal seal-bearers, sole companions of the palace, chieftains and mayors of towns of Upper and Lower Egypt, companions, scout-leaders, chief priests of Upper and Lower Egypt, and chief district officials at the head of the troops of Upper and Lower Egypt, from the villages and towns that they governed and from the Nubians of those foreign lands. I was the one who commanded them-while my rank was that of overseer of [royal tenants]-because of my rectitude, so that no one attacked his fellow, so that no one seized a loaf or sandals from a traveller, so that no one took a cloth from any town, so that no one took a goat from anyone.

http://www.loyno.edu/~gerlich/161.weni.html

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kevlew;256462 wrote: Here is an excerpt from the Biography of Weni. It is from around the 6th dynasty and it mentions who the enemies were at that time and the Nubians of various sections seem to be in alliance as far back as this time period.

When his majesty took action against the eurasiatic Sand-dwellers, his majesty made an army of many tens of thounited snakesnds from all of Upper Egypt: from Yebu in the south to Medenyt in the north; from Lower Egypt: from all of the Two-Sides-of-the-House and from Sedjer and Khen-sedjru; and from Irtjet-Nubians, MedjaNubians, Yam-Nubians, Wawat-Nubians, Kaau-Nubians; and from Tjemeh-land.

His majesty sent me at the head of this army, there being counts, royal seal-bearers, sole companions of the palace, chieftains and mayors of towns of Upper and Lower Egypt, companions, scout-leaders, chief priests of Upper and Lower Egypt, and chief district officials at the head of the troops of Upper and Lower Egypt, from the villages and towns that they governed and from the Nubians of those foreign lands. I was the one who commanded them-while my rank was that of overseer of [royal tenants]-because of my rectitude, so that no one attacked his fellow, so that no one seized a loaf or sandals from a traveller, so that no one took a cloth from any town, so that no one took a goat from anyone.

http://www.loyno.edu/~gerlich/161.weni.html

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At the least we knew we were black and who our enemies were and for that we were in alliance.

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[Chance]

There are two conditions that need to be fulfilled for me to consider one as Kmtyw. 1. They must have AT LEAST one Kmtyw parent. 2. They MUST claim to be Kmtyw. No biracial or anything else. It may not be fair but so what?
The most important thing in my Kmtyw mind is what will secure the future of my children and my community. It's not beneficial to us as Kmtyws to co-opt and waste effort and resources because it hurts feelings. Whether social constructs or whatever, I'm only helping those who are without a doubt Black. If you're supposed to be my family and you understand the challenges that I'm facing then you should understand why it has to be like this. I'm not going to sacrifice the struggle of the generations before me and the generations to come after me so that I can be friends with people who ain't even a reflection of me.

[Maame Efua]

cuitocuanavale;256458 wrote: In Tanzania and Kenya they have this same discussion about Albinos. Many Albinos there are persecuted and killed by those who do not see them as Black.

Personally I hate the debate about whether or not biracial and multiracial people are black. It is annoying to me because for one blackness is a social construct and two the same people who are constantly debating about the position of biracials do absolutely nothing and say nothing to the coons and bedwenches that sleep with crackers and create these people in the first place. If we are so hell bent on Biracials not being black, then those who sleep with crakkkers should get the death penalty or the social equivalent of that in banishment and dissassociation.

Also I find it fascinating how the same people who say that Biracials and Multiracials are not black will willingly accept coons and race traitors like Clarence Thomas, Mbutu, Allen West, and Jesse Lee Peterson as black even though they do everything to promote and facilitate white supremacy. They might as well be classified as crakkkers in black skin but because they are dark they get to be accepted as Black by the majority of us.

Do I trust biracial and multiracial people?? the majority of the time, absolutely not, however I know that most full black people with black parents have the same sickness and love for crakkkers that Biracial do. It is something that is so pervasive. The point is that we have to establish consistency.

If a biracial person is not black, then none of their children are black even if they have them with a black person, no exceptions. Also if biracials aren't black then the coons and bedwenches that created them are not Black. Race traitors that work with crakkkers and facilitate the objectives of these disgusting diseased beast should also not be classified as Black.

Ultimately the reason that I hate these types of conversations is due to the lack of consistency. People go one step in one direction than allow all types of exceptions. For me this is not and can never be true liberation.

I understand your frustration. I'm also frustrated.  I'm frustrated with the lack of exclusivity, the need to include  everyone, the dilution of our bloodlines, the colourism, the fact that black is the dumping ground for for everyone's rejects, the constant running away from ourselves and anything that resembles us, the lack of value we place on the darkest black, the need to have a "united colours of benetton" black race, the "black comes in all shades" including Beckie rhetoric. The fact that we are not comfortable unless there is white amongst us, that we need white presence to feel validated. I could go on and on, but what I'm most frustrated about is the constant assault on the physche of little black girls and black women.  

The healing that needs to happen will not happen if we insist on being the race of all peoples.

Nkrumah with all his greatness was still very flawed, no less mentally enslaved than a lot of us.

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kevlew;256461 wrote: Can you cite where this is shown? Where it is mentioned that they were called enemies?  Appreciate it.  I find it strange because Kemet was made up of various Nubian groups.

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It was more about Nationality than race.

Dr. Mario Betty discusses it in full context in this lecture that he gave a while back on the term xsy. The egyptians frequently used this word to classify their political enemies (Libyans Nubians western eurasians etc.) however they also used the word to classify themselves in political disputes and civil wars.
https://youtu.be/I6KKsbNxrfk

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cuitocuanavale;256467 wrote: It was more about Nationality than race.

Dr. Mario Betty discusses it in full context in this lecture that he gave a while back on the term xsy. The egyptians frequently used this word to classify their political enemies (Libyans Nubians western eurasians etc.) however they also used the word to classify themselves in political disputes and civil wars.
https://youtu.be/I6KKsbNxrfk

The two are not mutually exclusive. The people called their nation land of Black people, Kmt and they called themselves Kmtiw, Black people. Any time you get caught up saying Egyptians, it facilitates you getting lost in meaninglessness.

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Obadele Kambon;256535 wrote: The two are not mutually exclusive. The people called their nation land of Black people, Kmt and they called themselves Kmtiw, Black people. Any time you get caught up saying Egyptians, it facilitates you getting lost in meaninglessness.

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From my research the name that the people of Kemet called themselves was Remetch or citizens of Kemet and they differentiated themselves from the Nubians even though they came from the same place in Southeast Kmt at the beginning of the Hapi River. Kemtiu was also used and it generally means the exact same thing "citizens of Kemet".

I get the point about Egypt. I generally don't use that word unless I am speaking about the modern population in the nation of Egypt. But even today there is a wide variety of debate about whether Kemet was actually commonly used by the indigenous population and what period of time that it was used in.

Also many scholars debate whether or not kemet actually means black city or black soil due to the united snakesge of the determinative glyph that defines Kemet.



There is a constant debate about the utility and united snakesge of the last wheel determinative and whether or not it refers to a municipality or the soil.

Obadele Kambon;256535 wrote: The two are not mutually exclusive. The people called their nation land of Black people, Kmt and they called themselves Kmtiw, Black people. Any time you get caught up saying Egyptians, it facilitates you getting lost in meaninglessness.

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