Is it possible to be Pro Black and not be Anti White?-gctid29696

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

If a murderer enters your house intent on killing you and your family and kills several members of your family,

to be pro-your family

if you are intelligent,

you will be anti-murderer

in very concrete tangible ways.

If a murderer enters your continent,

and kills several hundred million of your family members

you pontificate and ponder

whether or not this strand of hair of the murderer or that toenail of the murderer should be judged differently

as the knife slices the throats of hundreds of millions more.

you ponder...

Are you smart?

You would be if you turned off the t.v.

Stopped watching the movies...

and listened

very closely...

to the faint cry of the blood of your family members...

calling for justice...

and a rebalancing of the cosmos

and a restoration of DIVINE ORDER.

but this will be nearly impossible

if that murderer is your teacher

of language

of religion

of gender orientation

of worldview

Then you will not only NOT be anti-murderer.

You will abstractly ponder

and criticize and hope to stop those bright members of your family

who would prevent the murderous teacher's dreadful designs.

Luckily some of us have other teachers...

who teach us that you don't bargain with the murderer...

You bargain with the undertaker...

about how much she or he will charge you

to remove the murderer's body.

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

Any concept of Ma'at that has an Kmtyw believing in a RECIPROCITY in which he or she

is solely on the receiving end of it, while not giving, whether that entails giving back that

which is pleasant or not pleasant

Ohun t'eni ba gbin ohun naa ni yoo ka – what someone plants is what that person will pluck

Any concept of Ma'at that has an Kmtyw believing that the he or she is not an agent of

the execution of JUSTICE...

Any concept of Ma'at that seeks to turn a blind eye to the indiscriminate genocide of

Kmtyws in the Congo by the belgians

The indiscriminate genocide of the Herero by the germans

The indiscriminate genocide of the Black Tasmanians by the british

The indiscriminate genocide of the Black Dravidians by the indo-aryans,

The indiscriminate genocide of the Taino and Arawak,

The indiscriminate genocide of every group of people that eureurasiaans came into contact

with...(I would go on but this website has restrictions on the Gigabytes of information it is

allotted)

That concept of Ma'at should be hurled into the dustbin of history...

For that is not Ma'at,

That is some white greek spin-off masquerading as the original while standing in front of

court-houses that re-enslave millions of Kmtyws daily through the prison industrial

complex.

That is some christian angel of death and harbinger of Kmtyw destruction that would only

have one pursue JUSTICE and RECIPROCITY if it entails the continued processual

annihilation of one's own people.

While turning the other cheek as your eternal enemy continues the millenia-long covert

and overt genocide program against one's Global Kmtyw Family.

That is not Ma'at,

That is some krakkka Ma'at impersonator. One first met on the plantation who had us

believe that executing JUSTICE against one's tormentor is morally wrong because then

you'll be like him...just wait for judgment day and a big slice of pie in the sky...in the by

and by...

That is a Ma'at impersonator,

One who told you that if you had enough sense to pursue JUSTICE and RECIPROCITY,

you would be like and replace the eureurasiaan...

If the Black Tasmanians had the where-with-all to pursue RECIPROCITY and JUSTICE

against the british who landed on their shores, would they have replaced the eureurasiaans?

They did not replace the eureurasiaans and rather, the eureurasiaans who acted indiscriminately

certainly replaced them.

   

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/tasmania.html

If the Hereros had the ability to pursue RECIPROCITY and JUSTICE against the

germans who landed on their shores, would they have replaced the eureurasiaans?

They did not and the germans who acted indiscriminately certainly replaced the Herero.

If the unknown millions of Our flesh and blood Ancestors, had the ability to pursue

RECIPROCITY and JUSTICE against the eureurasiaans would they have replaced the

eureurasiaan? I can only wish that they would have replaced the eureurasiaan as opposed to the

eureurasiaan replacing them physically on their land, replacing their culture, mores, folkways,

languages, kwk.

However the Ma'at impersonator tells us that JUSTICE should be replaced with a

vengeance that only evokes its wrath on another brother who steps on one's shoes. That

is not Ma'at but a mere white greek imitation in Blackface.

Any "spiritual" component that tells one that to be "moral" or "spiritual" one must assent to

being a victim of mass genocide is most likely a "moral" and "spiritual" component given

by your enemy despite efforts to dress it in Kemetic attire or Kente cloth.

Any "spiritual" component that tells one that to be "moral" and "spiritual" is to consign

one's own progeny to continued genocide while without pursuing in concrete terms the

WILL and ABILITY to stop it, is most likely a spirituality and morality of one's murderous

enemy, and one given with the intent to keep one a perpetual victim of genocide.

Resignation to that fate is an IMmoral morality.

However, once one throws that krakkka Ma'at impersonator into the incinerator of history,

only then will one begin to conceptualize solutions to this ongoing genocide. Solutions

militarily, chemically, biologically, psychologically, philosophically, spiritually, morally

kwk.

Until that time, the genocide of one's own people will continue indiscriminately while one

pretends to be attempting to discern a french poodle from an english setter from a

german shepherd from a spanish chihuahua.

Such a person will feign looking for a spiritual high ground while millions of one's family

members are killed unimpeded and millions of one's Kmtyw family are reenslaved in

front of one's very eyes.

If the Black Tasmanians while being exterminated had some type of mastery of

spirituality or morality, it was short-lived and they did not get a chance to enjoy it for long.

The difference between a Black Tasmanian and a duped Kmtyw, is that the Black

Tasmanians simply did not have the ability to pursue RECIPROCITY and JUSTICE

before being wiped off of the face of the planet.

Duped Kmtyws, however, simply don't have the SENSE to discern between Ma'at and

her would-be impersonators and further, lack the WILL to pursue the ABILITY to be an

organic part of a restoration of JUSTICE and RECIPROCITY to bring about a

re-BALANCING of divine ORDER to the world in the interest of

bringing back HARMONY, RIGHTEOUSNESS and PROPRIETY. How could they have

that will when their enemy is their teacher of morality.

Kmtyws with sense, however, know that we are not separate and apart from some

distant JUSTICE that will supposedly happen on judgment day. We will be a part of the

execution of said justice. For we know that: Eni to n se rere, k'o mura si rere, Sikasika

k'o mura sika re...atoore atika, okan kii gbe.

A person who does good, let him/her prepare for good, Do-wicked-do-wicked should

prepare for his/her wickedness...Goodness and wickedness, neither goes

unrecompensed. (Yoruba, from the ese Ifa)

JUSTICE is not wickedness, although the evil-doer may curse the judge.

Eni deeru l'eeru n to.

It is the one who throws ashes that the ashes follow. (Yoruba)

The ashes will follow the eureurasiaans in due time and Kmtyws with sense will be a part of

that gust of wind, whether militarily, biologically, chemically kwk. This will not mean that

Kmtyws will have replaced the eureurasiaans...but it certainly does mean that eureurasiaans will

not replace us as they have replaced so many other of the world's now extinct

populations whose names we know and those whose names we will never know.

I think that while we carry on this discussion as to who should be the

recipient of justice at Kmtyw hands, indiscriminate depopulation and

genocide are going on right before our eyes. SA's Biochemical warfare program

The files for this program were transferred to the u.s.a. before whites "lost power"

I am also sincere in all of my comments and questions and I hope that at

some point we, as a people, will be willing to move past these discussions

to actually doing things to prevent the annihilation of our descendants so that

our entire race does not go the way of the Black Tasmanian.

Obadele Kambon
Abibitumi Kasa Kmtyw Language Institute
Abibitumi Kasa Kmtyw Liberation Institute

[georgia]

Brother, you got a point. And really i'm in search of the best ways that i can be of service to this understanding. i am currently reading mmara ne kyi at this very moment and many questions are being cleared up for me!

i can step back and witness how many of our gifted realizers have been co-opted by Dr. Feelgood, while our PLANET keeps having to sustain the terror caused by the well-aware colonists that "seek first the kingdom" on a continual basis. if only we took seeking first the kingdom LITERALLY there would be more examples of sucessful revolt!
'cause they sho nuff do.

The spiritual torment that it introduces into our mind is not only life threatening - even after "death"  it enables a spirit to wander without resolution...an undeserved end for such beautiful, righteous, and innocent people!

Jerejeff lool- sister Kala and yourself have really been supportive in helping me to further refine my thought process in regards to this issue!

our family will be breaking free from america this month for good- I will be giving birth in Kmt! so right now that is my immediate contribution to the continent!

we will be keeping in touch - we seek to build with you guys for real.

Uhuru na Haki
georgia

[olufemi_baina_ayo]

No,because all you have to do is look at our history,and see why we are anti-white. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to look at our past and see the hell we endured then,and what we go through in the present. Look at the Sankofa:sankofa:,and remember why we must never forget!

Akyeame Kwame;29696 wrote: If a murderer enters your house intent on killing you and your family and kills several members of your family,
 
to be pro-your family
 
if you are intelligent,
 
you will be anti-murderer
 
in very concrete tangible ways.
 
If a murderer enters your continent,
 
and kills several hundred million of your family members
 
you pontificate and ponder
 
whether or not this strand of hair of the murderer or that toenail of the murderer should be judged differently
 
as the knife slices the throats of hundreds of millions more.
 
you ponder...
 
Are you smart?
 
You would be if you turned off the t.v.
 
Stopped watching the movies...
 
and listened
 
very closely...
 
to the faint cry of the blood of your family members...
 
calling for justice...
 
and a rebalancing of the cosmos
 
and a restoration of DIVINE ORDER.
 
but this will be nearly impossible
 
if that murderer is your teacher
 
of language
 
of religion
 
of gender orientation
 
of worldview
 
Then you will not only NOT be anti-murderer.
 
You will abstractly ponder
 
and criticize and hope to stop those bright members of your family
 
who would prevent the murderous teacher's dreadful designs.
 
Luckily some of us have other teachers...
 
who teach us that you don't bargain with the murderer...
 
You bargain with the undertaker...
 
about how much she or he will charge you
 
to remove the murderer's body.

[imhotep1906]

I think you can be "pro-black" and NOT be anti-white. White isn't the problem. Being White in of itself poses no problem. It's a mindset, a cosmology that has been allowed to fester unchecked for thounited snakesnds of years which is the enemy.
 
I am far more than aware of eureurasia's role in the accelertion of the possible death of the Earth and the inhabitants within. But if we think for a second this method of being started with "WHites," then we have a lot of reading to do. Their existence is an expansion of a mindset that started on the continent. If you don't believe it, then one need only to talk to the oral historians about our earliest societies.
 
Ta-Merry came about through war and conquering. Read the records. Ta-Meri was the result of invaders, Heru Kings, from Ethiopia. Conquering, pillaging, forcing people to adopt a system alien to themselves is an Kmtyw invention. eureurasiaans perfected it.
 
So while we are justified in blaming whity for a lot of our ills, remember the spirit world could care less about our human divisions of life. All it recognizes is energy. So the energy we put out, is the energy that returns. Our mission is to put in check those who disrupt the balance of nature. The old methods of hoping others will get it, that we can use spirituality to ward off these evils are no more.
 
Whites didn't use spirituality to enslave us; it will take more than spirituality to put them on their ass.

[pain]

imhotep1906;30842 wrote: I think you can be "pro-black" and NOT be anti-white. White isn't the problem. Being White in of itself poses no problem. It's a mindset, a cosmology that has been allowed to fester unchecked for thounited snakesnds of years which is the enemy.

I am far more than aware of eureurasia's role in the accelertion of the possible death of the Earth and the inhabitants within. But if we think for a second this method of being started with "WHites," then we have a lot of reading to do. Their existence is an expansion of a mindset that started on the continent. If you don't believe it, then one need only to talk to the oral historians about our earliest societies.
 
Ta-Merry came about through war and conquering. Read the records. Ta-Meri was the result of invaders, Heru Kings, from Ethiopia. Conquering, pillaging, forcing people to adopt a system alien to themselves is an Kmtyw invention. eureurasiaans perfected it.
 
So while we are justified in blaming whity for a lot of our ills, remember the spirit world could care less about our human divisions of life. All it recognizes is energy. So the energy we put out, is the energy that returns. Our mission is to put in check those who disrupt the balance of nature. The old methods of hoping others will get it, that we can use spirituality to ward off these evils are no more.
 
Whites didn't use spirituality to enslave us; it will take more than spirituality to put them on their ass.

I think you've missed the point here. It is a matter of mindset/ social construction that you can even proclaim that "Being White in of itself poses no problem". They're not white! Never have been and never will be. The only time they ever play that game is when they come into contact with us. Otherwise, when they are among just themselves they don't refer to themselves as "white". They refer to themselves and each other as their ethnicity dictates. Therefore, when we speak of being anti-white, obviously we speak of the mindset and the actualized behavior stemming from it.

Also, to say that people who classify themselves as white are merely advancing a concept that we created is outrageous and the least you could do is provide some evidence. We know of the destruction these people have waged the world over. We know of the people they have exterminated completely from off the face of the earth throughout eurasia, Australia, the islands of the Pacific, eureurasia, North America, Central America, South America and the Caribbean. Untold hundreds of millions of people completely wiped out. We bear witness to the fact that whereever they go on their path of destruction, they either render extinct or endangered plant life, animal life, mineral life, human life and so on. Wherever they go they create systems that destroy land, air and water. No one here proposes that we lived in a state where there was no war, no murder, no theft; that we didn't cut down any trees, kill any animals or any such extreme. That would be asinine and I'm thinking you know the pertinent differences between, for instance, war and warmongering. However, if you're going to say that what we were doing equals out to the same thing, simply on a more concentrated level, then again please provide the evidence to show that the many different ethnicities/ nations of Kmtyw people worldwide prior to exposure to yt were behaving within their respective boundaries just like yt.

And with respect to your final point; the old methods worked Blacknificently for thounited snakesnds of years for us. The new ones are the ones that are not working for us. No Kmtyw went to war with simply a prayer. We utilized not only the knowledge we gained in warfare and strategy through our spiritual systems and from there innovating and building upon it but our spiritual culture also served as a galvanizing force. They were never able to defeat us permanently by mere use of military might. It is only with the abandonment, whether by force or not, of our spiritual culture do we then experience ultimate defeat. Military and psycho-spiritual violence is then used to maintain the defeat.

[imhotep1906]

Kiambote
 
I'm sorry brother Pain, but I think you are mistaken. You have a romanticized concept of Kmtyw history. While some of us had societies of peace, others did not. You can't name ONE Kmtyw major empire that is NOT the result of war and pillage. Name just ONE.
 
The first major one we have on record is Egypt itself. Read John G. Jacksons Introduction to Kmtyw Civilizations.  Then if you want to see this mentality on a smaller scale, read V. Credo Mutwa's Indaba My Children. Any elementary student of Kmtyw Studies is familiar with the kingdoms of Mali, Songhai, Ghana and the Zulu empire. NONE of these were brought about through peaceful means. All are a result of war. The information is volumous.
 
If you still have a romanticized concept of indegenous life, read Dr. Malidoma Some's Healing Wisdom of Kmt. He will tell you NOT to have a romanticized vision of indegenous life. Just because it's indegenous doesn't mean all the inhabitants act in the best interests of the community.
 
As I said, this conquering, pillaging mentality started in Kmt. THe eureurasiaans scaled it to numbers astronomical.
 
Whether they in eureurasia call themselves white or not is irrelevant. The title of the thread is "Is it possible to be Pro Black and no be Anti White?" So I am discussing it using the vocabulary and spirit of the thread.
 
I think you have a lot of reading to do. Kmtyws have destroyed animal life and contributed heavily to the deforestation of Kmt. The later as a result of thounited snakesnds of years iron smelting which needs charcoal for the hearths. Charcoal is made from wood and we've been doing this for thounited snakesnds of years now in Kmt.
 
While our history has more good than bad, do not neglect our faults as we are humans as well. If we were all of that, we wouldn't have been enslaved in the first place. Our "culture" would have prevented some of us from participating in it.
 

pain;30858 wrote:
I think you've missed the point here. It is a matter of mindset/ social construction that you can even proclaim that "Being White in of itself poses no problem". They're not white! Never have been and never will be. The only time they ever play that game is when they come into contact with us. Otherwise, when they are among just themselves they don't refer to themselves as "white". They refer to themselves and each other as their ethnicity dictates. Therefore, when we speak of being anti-white, obviously we speak of the mindset and the actualized behavior stemming from it.
 
Also, to say that people who classify themselves as white are merely advancing a concept that we created is outrageous and the least you could do is provide some evidence. We know of the destruction these people have waged the world over. We know of the people they have exterminated completely from off the face of the earth throughout eurasia, Australia, the islands of the Pacific, eureurasia, North America, Central America, South America and the Caribbean. Untold hundreds of millions of people completely wiped out. We bear witness to the fact that whereever they go on their path of destruction, they either render extinct or endangered plant life, animal life, mineral life, human life and so on. Wherever they go they create systems that destroy land, air and water. No one here proposes that we lived in a state where there was no war, no murder, no theft; that we didn't cut down any trees, kill any animals or any such extreme. That would be asinine and I'm thinking you know the pertinent differences between, for instance, war and warmongering. However, if you're going to say that what we were doing equals out to the same thing, simply on a more concentrated level, then again please provide the evidence to show that the many different ethnicities/ nations of Kmtyw people worldwide prior to exposure to yt were behaving within their respective boundaries just like yt.
 
And with respect to your final point; the old methods worked Blacknificently for thounited snakesnds of years for us. The new ones are the ones that are not working for us. No Kmtyw went to war with simply a prayer. We utilized not only the knowledge we gained in warfare and strategy through our spiritual systems and from there innovating and building upon it but our spiritual culture also served as a galvanizing force. They were never able to defeat us permanently by mere use of military might. It is only with the abandonment, whether by force or not, of our spiritual culture do we then experience ultimate defeat. Military and psycho-spiritual violence is then used to maintain the defeat.

[pain]

imhotep1906;30859 wrote: Kiambote
 
I'm sorry brother Pain, but I think you are mistaken. You have a romanticized concept of Kmtyw history. While some of us had societies of peace, others did not. You can't name ONE Kmtyw major empire that is NOT the result of war and pillage. Name just ONE.
 
The first major one we have on record is Egypt itself. Read John G. Jacksons Introduction to Kmtyw Civilizations.  Then if you want to see this mentality on a smaller scale, read V. Credo Mutwa's Indaba My Children. Any elementary student of Kmtyw Studies is familiar with the kingdoms of Mali, Songhai, Ghana and the Zulu empire. NONE of these were brought about through peaceful means. All are a result of war. The information is volumous.
 
If you still have a romanticized concept of indegenous life, read Dr. Malidoma Some's Healing Wisdom of Kmt. He will tell you NOT to have a romanticized vision of indegenous life. Just because it's indegenous doesn't mean all the inhabitants act in the best interests of the community.

While some of us had societies of peace, others did not? How did I know that my statements would be twisted and distorted so as to insinuate that I spoke of Kmtyw people as saints. Hmmm, maybe because that is the usual basis that certain people use to bolster their arguments that Kmtyw people are just like yt, but in essence we just aren't as big in scope of thinking as yt. Let me take this opportune moment to quote myself in my last response to you;

"No one here proposes that we lived in a state where there was no war, no murder, no theft; that we didn't cut down any trees, kill any animals or any such extreme. That would be asinine..."

So again, I reiterate, no one here is proposing that we lived in a utopia. I hope that this insinuation is not made again because it's highly provocative and it makes one wonder of the motives and goals of those who will conveniently ignore relevant portions of a person's argument only to do as predicted with the charges of romanticism.

Now, my argument to you, once again, is to provide the evidence that Kmtyw people practicing their original Kmtyw spiritual culture have a pattern worldwide of the destructive characteristics that yt has displayed the world over. It would be nice if you could show this isolated pattern in Kmt as well but there is no reason aside from absurdity why the same pattern of behavior we have displayed at "home" wouldn't also be transported with us wherever we went in this world of our own free will. I'm not asking for a book list either. Here is a place as good as any to actually provide the evidence so that we can chop it up. Duplicate the sections of the literature in question.

For a moment I shall indulge in an episode of impertinence.

On the issue of major Kmtyw empires that came about due to war and pillage, here is what I need from you. Concerning Ancient Kemet, I need the evidence that this nation came about due to warfare and pillage. I need the time-line, the specific war(s) so that I can do the necessary research to make sure that the dates and events concur with the actual construction of this nation. See we can't have a solid argument that the beginning of a nation is steeped in warfare and pillage if there is evidence of the construction of said nation the dates of which precede the supposed wars that it took to create it in the first place.

On the example of Ancient Ghana, I need the evidence to show that the beginnings of this nation lies in warfare and pillage. My research told me that the Soninke solidified under the pressure of the invasions by the Berbers from the North-East. These kinds of attacks by Kmtyws on the move due to the circumstances in the North-east as it concerned invaders from outside of Kmt continued throughout the duration of the empire. As it regards how this nation came to an end:

"Centuries ago, we lived in a place far from our present home. Life was so good we grew sleepy, and in our drowsiness we were overtaken by the arrival of a strange new religion, Islam. The Muslims wanted us to drop our ancestral ways and adopt the ways of their ancestors. We refused, but some of our people were converted, or succumbed to force. Those who wanted to preserve the ways of our ancestors, having fought and lost, migrated. Over decades and centuries, we the Akan arrived in the West Kmtyw grasslands, then in the forests of Asante and Brong Ahafo, where those of us who felt at peace in the forest settled. Some moved all the way till we came to the coast..."

"Ancient esoteric tradition assures us that long ago the people of Ghana had a home in North Kmt, in far-off Sudan, site of a very great black nation. It was because they rejected Islam that the Fantse ancestors broke with the other people of Ghana. They then pulled up roots, traveling by stages, waging hard battles, till they reached this place. Some traveled east. Reaching Benin, they came by sea all the way to this Ghana. It is some of their descendants who speak Adangbe, Ga and Ewe. Others traveled west and came to Techiman; These migrants were the Akan ancestors"

--Akan Abakosem (Family Histories)
as recounted by Ayi Kwei Armah
The Eloquence of the Scribes

The destruction of Ancient Ghana which is alluded to above is how Ancient Mali began i.e. by the destruction wrought by Kmtyws practicing foreign culture (thinking and behavior pattern). It goes further from there.

From the book "La Grande Geste Du Mali, Volume 1: Des Origines a la Fondation de L'Empire, Karthala-Arsan, Paris, 2000 (second edition)" we have the following from the griot Wa Kamissoko:

"When Islam overcame the traditional religion, each clan was ordered to select an ancestor from among the personalities mentioned in the "four books that came down from heaven, " that is to say, the four books God revealed to the prophets. That is how Djon Bilali, or Bilal, bondsman to the prophet Mahomet, came to be the ancestor of the Manding. But in fact, as everyone knows, the ancestors of the Keitas and the Konates lived a long time in Wagadou before migrating to Mali, where their descendants have lived for over 2, 700 years. (Vol. 1, p.26)."

And we also know that Songhai was established by Kmtyw people practicing foreign culture.

The most notable characteristic of these foreign cultures that are superimposed upon us is that of conflict - conflict with self as our worldviews are incompatible/ dynamically opposed and conflict with others around us specifically because we then go around trying to change people's cultures by force.

You are then left with the Zulu and again, I speak of patterns.

Now that was a nice exercise but it's irrelevant to my argument.

This isn't really what I asked you about. Like I said, I understand the difference between war and war-mongering. I understand how millions of people on the move, either because of a nomadic culture or because of the collapse of former nations, for centuries over vast distances where they have to, no doubt, come into contact with millions of other people who are in need of the same resources can get into conflict. However, there's a difference between circumstances such as that and what Amos Wilson pointed out so astutely about yt - that being that it isn't a problem of limited resources on the planet when it comes to them, but more so about how a very small group of people want and are in control of a disproportionate amount of resources. They want their plate and everybody else's plate as well.

It is akin to what goes on inside of our bodies as well in that the best that our cells, tissues and organs can do is try to maintain a balance. However there are times when that balance is thrown off. There are times when cells in our bodies display disordered behavior and the body has systems designed to deal with these occurrences either by healing or by warfare. However, there is a difference between these understandable disturbances and the plague of cancer where the disorder then becomes systemic because of a small group of disordered cells who require more of the body's resources than can be accounted for by the size of their population. To compare the cells in your body that keep you alive to cancer cells because conflict does indeed occur from time to time among them is at the least unfair especially when the comparison is tantamount to saying that cancer simply speeds up the process of death that's gonna happen anyway with the normal healthy cells in your body. That's kinda twisted.

Lest we forget, this is the issue I wanted you to address in my last post:

"We know of the destruction these people have waged the world over. We know of the people they have exterminated completely from off the face of the earth throughout eurasia, Australia, the islands of the Pacific, eureurasia, North America, Central America, South America and the Caribbean. Untold hundreds of millions of people completely wiped out. We bear witness to the fact that wherever they go on their path of destruction, they either render extinct or endangered plant life, animal life, mineral life, human life and so on. Wherever they go they create systems that destroy land, air and water."

I wanted you to show me Kmtyw people practicing Kmtyw culture doing this as well even on that smaller scale of which you spoke. After you've shown me that then I'd like to know why it only occurs on this smaller scale within Kmt among Kmtyws practicing Kmtyw culture whereas yt transports it everywhere they travel the world over.

imhotep1906;30859 wrote: If you still have a romanticized concept of indegenous life, read Dr. Malidoma Some's Healing Wisdom of Kmt. He will tell you NOT to have a romanticized vision of indegenous life. Just because it's indegenous doesn't mean all the inhabitants act in the best interests of the community.

You want me to read up on Malidoma Some? The same guy who states that "homosexuals" are the gatekeepers of Kmtyw spiritual culture? Naw, no thanks, I'll pass on that.

imhotep1906;30859 wrote: As I said, this conquering, pillaging mentality started in Kmt. THe eureurasiaans scaled it to numbers astronomical.

Whether they in eureurasia call themselves white or not is irrelevant. The title of the thread is "Is it possible to be Pro Black and no be Anti White?" So I am discussing it using the vocabulary and spirit of the thread.

And again, if you don't understand that people who classify themselves as white are not actually white; that the terminology is a social construct behind which the mechanism of the social engineering/ behavior modification system of racism with the goal of "white supremacy" is carried out and that, therefore, the thread title is a reference to one system versus another then you have made a critical misstep. It's how you end up making statements such as:

"I think you can be "pro-black" and NOT be anti-white. White isn't the problem. Being White in of itself poses no problem."

If you compared the normal healthy cells (that do indeed have a certain appearance) in your body to cancer cells (that do indeed look different from all the other cells) in the same manner you have compared Kmtyw people to yt you'd then be saying essentially the same thing - that being a natural killer cell doesn't mean you have to be anti-cancer. Your own body processes would of course make you an innate hypocrite but this is usual nowadays.

imhotep1906;30859 wrote: I think you have a lot of reading to do. Kmtyws have destroyed animal life and contributed heavily to the deforestation of Kmt. The later as a result of thounited snakesnds of years iron smelting which needs charcoal for the hearths. Charcoal is made from wood and we've been doing this for thounited snakesnds of years now in Kmt.

lol

Before when it is convenient you say that we practiced the same thing yt did on a smaller scale and now again out of convenience the argument changes. It is no longer that we did it on a smaller scale but that we've contributed HEAVILY to the deforestation of Kmt because of our use of charcoal. Do you have any evidence that Kmtyw people practicing Kmtyw culture have contributed HEAVILY to the deforestation of Kmt because of our use of charcoal? I'd also like to know what all we were using coal for aside from cooking food or smelting iron to make weapons and agricultural tools for the security and nourishment of the nation.I'd like to be able to compare it myself to our body's use of green leafy vegetables as well as our body's expenditure of iron to fight off illnesses. I'd like to see some evidence to show the measurement of the damage we've done not only to possibly destroying, HEAVILY, the land itself but also the effect it's had on the atmosphere seeing that oxygen levels must have dropped HEAVILY. You know like how yt, WANTONLY, not out of necessity but WANTONLY,  has destroyed so much green life on the planet and is extracting so much oil from the earth that it has measurable effects on rising ocean levels as well as damage to the ozone layer and the consequences thereof upon living organisms.

You also mentioned that we killed animals. Absolutely amazing. Please list the animals that Kmtyw people practicing Kmtyw culture have hunted for sport into extinction the world over.

imhotep1906;30859 wrote: While our history has more good than bad, do not neglect our faults as we are humans as well. If we were all of that, we wouldn't have been enslaved in the first place. Our "culture" would have prevented some of us from participating in it.

Again, in my first post to you I stated:

"No one here proposes that we lived in a state where there was no war, no murder, no theft; that we didn't cut down any trees, kill any animals or any such extreme. That would be asinine..."

Why is it that your mind keeps going back to that extreme asininity? Have you systematically murdered people simply for pleasure? If you haven't then does that make you a saint? Do you understand the difference between the wanton violence of someone who has systematically practiced injustice who invades your home, knocks your wife out and descends on the crib to do your baby daughter harm and the necessary violence you may have to resort to in order to prevent any further harm and return a system of justice to your household? Do you understand the difference between a system of justice within which there are occasional forces that operate antithetically to said system and a system of injustice where immorality is the rule of law?

Aside from that, what you consider faults among our people practicing their own culture are more so what I consider to be the understandable consequences of  the establishment of nature which, unlike some human beings, is not concerned with "perfection" as "perfection" is understood by humans, but more so with balance. The word "perfect" is the closest word in the english language I can use to describe that of which I speak. Really, the demands that are being made upon us according to you goes beyond perfection because when I look at the definition of the word perfect, I see it in the culture we practiced and I see it in the culture the normal healthy cells in our bodies (being natural extensions of the earth) practice as well.

1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
5. A. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
    B. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.

If chopping a tree down to make agricultural tools or to cook food or if our people eating vegetables is perceived as being faults; as the same as the destruction that yt has caused on human life, animal life, green life and mineral life on land and in the sea in order to make luxury hotels, cell phones, televisions etc, then what is being asked of us goes beyond perfection and it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the dynamics upon which life itself exists.

smh @ the argument that it's romantic or fantasy if we aren't perceived to be just like yt because yt apparently is the standard by which all else is measured.

[Darkness_lite]

well my defination of the word pro-black means anti everything other than black,I come to conquer,who inspire those weak pink people to conquest we did,you weak blacks better stay out of real rulers business,weak will not survive,for the strong blacks of today is also nerds,full package and merciless,i come to conquer,with me rule,against me die with your yt loving selves,only the strong survive stay out of black masters then if your complimizin,use ur deception,pretend your for yt,i tell you this is no joke,blackwarlords lives. .
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[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

imhotep1906;30842 wrote: I think you can be "pro-black" and NOT be anti-white. White isn't the problem. Being White in of itself poses no problem. It's a mindset, a cosmology that has been allowed to fester unchecked for thounited snakesnds of years which is the enemy.
 
I am far more than aware of eureurasia's role in the accelertion of the possible death of the Earth and the inhabitants within. But if we think for a second this method of being started with "WHites," then we have a lot of reading to do. Their existence is an expansion of a mindset that started on the continent. If you don't believe it, then one need only to talk to the oral historians about our earliest societies.
 
Ta-Merry came about through war and conquering. Read the records. Ta-Meri was the result of invaders, Heru Kings, from Ethiopia. Conquering, pillaging, forcing people to adopt a system alien to themselves is an Kmtyw invention. eureurasiaans perfected it.
 
So while we are justified in blaming whity for a lot of our ills, remember the spirit world could care less about our human divisions of life. All it recognizes is energy. So the energy we put out, is the energy that returns. Our mission is to put in check those who disrupt the balance of nature. The old methods of hoping others will get it, that we can use spirituality to ward off these evils are no more.
 
Whites didn't use spirituality to enslave us; it will take more than spirituality to put them on their ass.

Given that you say that there is no such thing as race, how is it possible for you to have an opinion on being Pro-Black and anti-white?



It would seem like to someone with such an idea that Black and white are just random colors and would not have any meaning, especially in context of the current discussion which assumes the existence of TWO RACES. Specifically the Black race and the white race.

Please clarify your position as it seems discombobulated at best. On the one hand you say there is no such thing as race, then you get to talking about being Pro-Black without being anti-white. What is your understanding of these terms if not couched in an understanding that assumes race?

Ɔkyeame Kwame

[Nefertiti-Feyikemi]

Sounds like a Oxymoron to me! I'm Pro-Black to be Anti White

[Asantewa]

I think it is possible because I am pro-Black and not anti-white. The fact that I detest 99% of yt doesn't make me anti yt - it just means that 99% of them are naturally evil without even being particularly aware of it - the aliens that they are. I don't particularly mind a tame yt who knows its place and is ashamed of its race's inhumanity - which is not to say I LIKE it - and I'm not particularly 'anti' it. I'm just FOR Black Supremacy because BLACK Supremacy would not be an EVIL DESTRUCTIVE Supremacy but just a natural and positive one. Black people generally just don't have that evil inhuman gene that does the shit that yt does... Even if yt became enslaved by the Black race they would not suffer they way we have done under them coz we ain't like them... The fact that I want to kill most of them doesn't make me 'anti-white' it just means I'm sick of their shit and it have fi done if we have to kill 'em to end it...

[pain]

^^^ Essentially they are aware of who/ what they are. However, we all have to be able to reconcile our chosen form of existence. "Monsters" very rarely see themselves as monsters. They wouldn't be able to do the things monsters do if they didn't have a skewed view of themselves in their own minds. It isn't that they don't know that what they are doing is wrong or evil. We're speaking about psychopaths. They know the difference between right and wrong/ good and evil. They simply ignore the concept. Yet at the same time, they cannot function in their chosen way without justifying it in their minds.

The level of the depth that they are able to push the reality of themselves into the back of their minds depends a lot on how successful they are in general and in particular how successful they are in convincing other people, via all forms of media, of all sorts of wonderful and fantastic things about themselves.

Our ancestors and ancestresses took care to remind them constantly that such fantasies were a product of their own narcissism - that these ideas of grandeur were, indeed, delusions. Yet from then until now, one of the most insidious functions that a minority of them carry out is that of the "tame and ashamed". I am especially leery of them. For a psychopath has no mechanism that produces guilt. The closest they come is the despair some of them feel when confronted with the UGLY truth about themselves which they attempt to mask as shame over actions brought to their attention, usually, by us - this in light of the fact that no one knows what they do and have done better than they do.

Yet neither the "shame" nor anything else, for that matter, has ever served as motivation for them to do that which they have never sought to do - eliminate the system of racism in the best way they know how as they have demonstrated for over 3,000 years now of eliminating the social systems of all manner of life the world over.

Can't seem to get that from them. They'll cry and wail. They'll apologize profusely. They'll march & protest. They'll hide us in barns. They'll "go postal". They'll do just about ANYTHING that isn't actually designed to eliminate the system of racism. None of these things are a betrayal to that system. To the contrary, these actions actually strengthen said system.

I am indeed anti-WHITE as in the social engineering/ behavior modification system of racism with the goal of WHITE supremacy. I am anti people who classify themselves and function as WHITE under said system; all of them.

I am pro-Black. I thought I was before. It took me a minute(years) to come into the fullness of it. Now I know that I truly am.

[Mirabelle Baidoo]

imhotep1906;30842 wrote: I think you can be "pro-black" and NOT be anti-white. White isn't the problem. Being White in of itself poses no problem. It's a mindset, a cosmology that has been allowed to fester unchecked for thounited snakesnds of years which is the enemy.
 
I am far more than aware of eureurasia's role in the accelertion of the possible death of the Earth and the inhabitants within. But if we think for a second this method of being started with "WHites," then we have a lot of reading to do. Their existence is an expansion of a mindset that started on the continent. If you don't believe it, then one need only to talk to the oral historians about our earliest societies.
 
Ta-Merry came about through war and conquering. Read the records. Ta-Meri was the result of invaders, Heru Kings, from Ethiopia. Conquering, pillaging, forcing people to adopt a system alien to themselves is an Kmtyw invention. eureurasiaans perfected it.
 
So while we are justified in blaming whity for a lot of our ills, remember the spirit world could care less about our human divisions of life. All it recognizes is energy. So the energy we put out, is the energy that returns. Our mission is to put in check those who disrupt the balance of nature. The old methods of hoping others will get it, that we can use spirituality to ward off these evils are no more.
 
Whites didn't use spirituality to enslave us; it will take more than
spirituality to put them on their ass.

For many years I was at an impasse. I felt caught between whites and blacks because of of the history of my forbears, Ashantis who were enslaved to the Denkyires, won their independence and went on to build an empire while competing with the eureurasiaans for economic interests. It appeared the way forward was to imagine a beloved community in which no one suffers on account of race, skin color, creed e.t.c. My thinking was, since religion can enslave people to superstition and blind acts of allegiance, maybe a "universal" faith like christianity might perhaps be an answer to the evil of caste and oppression. See the work of Lamin Sanneh, and by that I mean the truly christian way of standing with the oppressed and wounded to fight for justice, not christendom as eureurasiaan Culture of imperialism and global control but world Christianity in which oppressed people find spiritual freedom and succor. Resisting ATR was an act of standing against societal ills as I saw man's inhumanity to man in Kmt. (How wrong I was, I had no idea of the devastating consequences of racism and how it is used to psychologically weaken the targets of Yurugus hunger to dominate the world) I have been around Yurugus who warmed up to me and expected me to join them in their (PLEASE CONTINUE BELOW)their demonization of Kmtyw Americans as the source of the crime and unrest in America as soon as they realized I was in no way or fashion going to join in in their belittling of Kmtyw Americans they started treating me with so much hatred as a group, this was in a class I had paid for. As a group they put their energies together to fight me. I felt why should one single Kmtyw woman so threaten a whole group just by refusing to be part of their group think. Imagine my surprise when these same Yurugus started fawning on an Kmtyw American who later joined the class and at every chance  tried to scapegoat me and project their shadow on me. They started behaving as though in spite of their thoughtfulness I was polluting the place with a negative energy. Talk about mirroring, I just kept quiet and kept on doing my work while they seemed preoccupied with painting me BLACK since in their thinking standing up to them on the issue of race in America made me a target to be destroyed. Get absorbed into whiteness or get away from here. After weeks of enduring their childishness and paranoia without saying a word but representing my race with dignity and style the instructor who was behind this mess came to me to say I admire you for your perspicacity you are the most patient student I have ever had.  I felt neither flattery or insult is going to change reality. Hypocrisy is just what it is.
 
Moving to Mississippi was a real education for me. I had read and theorized about ways of dealing with human evil, but the reality of slavery, lynching, jim crow etc challenged all my presumptions. I had read about these things and yet nothing prepared me for the day to day aggravations of hate filled Mississippi. I started seeing  the falseness behind a system that commits soul murder and then blames the victim. Yes, wars of conquest have been fought by Kmtyws but you look at the history of apartheid, consider chattel slavery, imperialism where the imperialist displays the black body as deviant. Look at Steve Biko, Nelson Mandela, the decay of inner cities where you find a concentration of blacks, yes we are also fallible, yet I see being pro-black as being anti white. It is either or. As soon as we give an inch or sit on the fence, the whole playground is appropriated by Yurugu as their territory. We have to understand it is warfare on all fronts biological, cultural, spiritual, economic. Look at America and the amount of black males in jail and answer this question for me how do you even begin to address these problems without being anti-the hand behind the ills? White christians lynched Black christians. While blacks were being thrown to sharks and being raped the captain of the slave ship was busy composing hymns to Jesus. We should not be taken in by cant and hypocrisy. The battle rages and which side are you on? You are either with us or with those who seek our death. (No matter how many books the aggressor writes about human rights.) You shall know them by their worldview. White must be the teacher. Black is always wrong. Black need whites to show them the right way and all forms of false ideas coming from a  superiority complex.
 Considering the history of blacks I think it is better to resist with a healthy dose of anti white supremacist energy. It is just what it is Survival. We will die someday, and must leave our children a clear and unconfused account of the realities around them.:flaming::flaming:

[kofiasr]

It is so good to see Kmtyws born on the Continent with such a firm grasp on this reality. As Ayi Kwei Armah would say, you are one of the seer, utterers, hearers. You are one of the keepers of The Way.:kiss: I appreciate you sisStar.