The Deep Thought of Baba Jedi Shemsu Jehewty (Dr. Jacob Carruthers)-gctid24982

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Obadele Kambon;205209 wrote: This seems like such a calque based on the English phrasing.

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It is. I decided to use it despite my reservations.

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Heru Djet;205292 wrote: It is. I decided to use it despite my reservations.

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Sounds like someone familiar with Kmtyw languages needs to be involved in this type of work. What's the point of Kmtyw form if the basic substance in terms of thought, structure and idiom is eureurasian?

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[Heru Djet]

Obadele Kambon;206836 wrote: Sounds like someone familiar with Kmtyw languages needs to be involved in this type of work. What's the point of Kmtyw form if the basic substance in terms of thought, structure and idiom is eureurasian?

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What type of work are you referring to?

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Heru Djet;206852 wrote: What type of work are you referring to?

Coming up with a paradigm for conversational Mdw Ntr based on English calques vs. having a familiarity with how Kmtyw Languages work and phrase things.

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Obadele Kambon;206857 wrote: Coming up with a paradigm for conversational Mdw Ntr based on English calques vs. having a familiarity with how Kmtyw Languages work and phrase things.

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dwAw n.k. sDm.i tw (I understand you). My united snakesge of this was actually based on my knowledge of Kiswahili whereas in some contexts people use "karibu" in response to "asante". There are other contexts where there is a different response ("si kitu" or "asante") or where there is no response. However my hesitancy was due to the fact that I am still seeking clarity on how speakers responded to "asante" in traditional contexts or even how this is expressed in traditional texts. While its clear that languages change over time in how they are used, I feel like that reconstruction of mdw nTr should, at least for the foreseeable future, reflect the most pronounced grammatical principles that are visible in the literature. The fact is that our united snakesge of dwA as "thanks" is itself something of an adaptation to our present contexts given that this word's traditional meaning differs markedly.

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I think your hesitancy is well-founded as we don't tend to find parallels to this in other Kmtyw languages with less of a Eureurasian infusion.

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Yɛnni aseda - we don't have under-laying
Kò tọ́pẹ́ - not equal to thankfulness
Nu ko bokk - we it share
Ka diâmbu ko - not word/matter/issue not
Si kitu - not (be/exist) thing

Karibu - welcome
The proximity of this one to English never seemed quite right and it seems fishy in Mdw Ntr to be turning up there too. I'd love to see something like this in an original text to assuage my fears/reluctance/hesitancy that comes from a distaste for eureurasian infiltration.

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Obadele Kambon;204732 wrote: dwA sn nfr!

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Mepa wo kyɛw wo bɛtumi akyerɛ dwA sn nfr ase baako baako.
dwA - tontom
sn - onua?
nfr - papa

Ɛbom a, dɛn na ɛkyerɛ?

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dwA - meda ase. ɛno na ɛwɔ nwoma a yɛreka ho asɛm no. Nneɛma bi wɔ saa nwoma mu a ɛsesɛ borɔfokasa dodo ma me. Anka mepɛ sɛ ɔbɛkyerɛ ne farebaeɛ.

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Obadele Kambon;206871 wrote: Yɛnni aseda - we don't have under-laying
Kò tọ́pẹ́ - not equal to thankfulness
Nu ko bokk - we it share
Ka diâmbu ko - not word/matter/issue not
Si kitu - not (be/exist) thing

Karibu - welcome
The proximity of this one to English never seemed quite right and it seems fishy in Mdw Ntr to be turning up there too. I'd love to see something like this in an original text to assuage my fears/reluctance/hesitancy that comes from a distaste for eureurasian infiltration.

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That was part of the point that I was making. I am unaware of "ntk iiti"having any literary basis. I "created" the phrase in that moment as a response to dwA. I have not seen such a phrase recommended in any conversational text, nor any ancient text that I have studied.

In my typical exchanges I have responded to dwA by reciprocating or not at all. My sense is that such a response may not be found given that dwA refers to "praise" for a person or persons directly or to nTr. Our use of it is not an exact translation of "thanks".

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Heru Djet;206877 wrote: That was part of the point that I was making. I am unaware of "ntk iiti"having any literary basis. I "created" the phrase in that moment as a response to dwA. I have not seen such a phrase recommended in any conversational text, nor any ancient text that I have studied.

In my typical exchanges I have responded to dwA by reciprocating or not at all. My sense is that such a response may not be found given that dwA refers to "praise" for a person or persons directly or to nTr. Our use of it is not a exact translation of "thanks".

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Mejat Wafa has dwA as praises, thank you and please. Seems like she is saying it translates to thanks. The point I'm making is that I think I should treat all of this as iffy until I see some kind of precedent. That is one of the reasons that I passed on using that text as a foundation for the wHm mswt study group we have going here.

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Obadele Kambon;206874 wrote: dwA - meda ase. ɛno na ɛwɔ nwoma a yɛreka ho asɛm no. Nneɛma bi wɔ saa nwoma mu a ɛsesɛ borɔfokasa dodo ma me. Anka mepɛ sɛ ɔbɛkyerɛ ne farebaeɛ.

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dwA. Na 'sn nfr' no a ɛka ho na me pɛ sɛ me hunu n'asekyerɛ.

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sn kyerɛ onuabarima. Nfr na aseɛ kyerɛ pa anaasɛ papa wɔ ha. Wobɛhunu baabi foforɔ a aseɛ kyerɛ deɛ ɛyɛ fɛ.

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Obadele Kambon;206879 wrote: Mejat Wafa has dwA as praises, thank you and please. Seems like she is saying it translates to thanks. The point I'm making is that I think I should treat all of this as iffy until I see some kind of precedent. That is one of the reasons that I passed on using that text as a foundation for the wHm mswt study group we have going here.

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As far as I know that is a "modern" united snakesge, just like Htp as "peace" is "modern". While this isn't totally problematic, we need to be mindful of our Cultural moorings. Seeking to express Eureurasian realities in Kmtyw languages, even for expediency's sake, limits our progression.

I used the quotation marks because modernity is weighted with epistemological, ontological, and eschatological baggage from eureurasia (just like all of those terms that I just used).

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Heru Djet;206882 wrote: As far as I know that is a "modern" united snakesge, just like Htp as "peace" is "modern". While this isn't totally problematic, we need to be mindful of our Cultural moorings. Seeking to express Eureurasian realities in Kmtyw languages, even for expediency's sake, limits our progression.

I used the quotation marks because modernity is weighted with epistemological, ontological, and eschatological baggage from eureurasia (just like all of those terms that I just used).

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What do you think being mindful would entail? I'm familiar with Father Divine's "modern" popularization of the word peace as a greeting.

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