Reform or Sovereignty: which way for Kmtyws in amerikkka-gctid36069

[Dr.G]

REFORM OR SOVEREIGNTY: A Fundamental question for Blacks in America.
I begin this essay by asking three simple questions. Do you think the U.S. government works in the best interest of Black people? Do you believe, based on you life experience, that there will ever come a time when Black people are treated in a fair and equitable manor, no different form white folks? If you and I were playing cards and you knew that I was cheating, would you continue to play?
I have asked these questions again, and again at college campuses and various public forums across the country for the past 10 yrs. In each and every instance 95%+ of the Black people in the audience answer a resounding no to all three questions.
I raise the third question because if we would not knowingly play cards with a cheater, why do we continue to play with America as though it were playing fair? If we collectively feel that this Govt. doesn't work in our best interest, and we feel that there will never come a time when we will be treated on a fair and equitable basis, then why are we trying to reform a society which we have already concluded is beyond reform?
Ultimately the most fundamental question for Blacks in America is what do we really want: Reform or Sovereignty?
Reform is the primary method that black people have used to improve our condition since we have been in America. We have attempted to follow white folks rules and laws to the letter. We have gone along with rules that we knew discriminated against us and left us with the short end of the stick. We have capitulated, and gone along with rules, laws, and systems that we knew worked to our disadvantage, and we have done so in a mostly quite and docile manor. We have gone along to get along, to our own demise and not complained or only complained to each other.
We have always understood that to make it as a Black person you had to be twice as good as whites. We have remained more loyal to America, than most Americans, despite its inequities.
We have also understood, however, that any time we used white folks rules to improve our lot, white folks have traditionally change those rules, often in mid stream.
What we don't seem to clearly comprehend is that in using the legal system to improve our conditions, we are essentially asking white folks to pass laws to protect Black folks from white folks, and then have whites to fairly enforce those laws. Herein lies the fallacy of reform.
What do we do if and when whites decide NOT to enforce those laws designed to protect us? What options are we left with?
How many people realize that we had more Black elected officials during reconstruction (1865 to 1877) than we have today? Obviously, simply having Black elected officials and making laws designed to protect our interest can only be a temporary solution based on the whims of white folks, otherwise we wouldn't still be trying to catch up to where we were 130 yrs. ago!
The bottom line is that reform is wholly dependent on white peoples cooperation, integrity, honesty and willingness to enforce laws designed to protect Black interest. Anytime they change their minds, our condition deteriorates!!! My final question on reform is what is white peoples history in regards to cooperation, integrity, and honesty when it comes to black people, and are
we willing to bet our future on them???

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Obviously the hardest questions regarding the issue of sovereignty is where and how. To
be perfectly honest, I cannot answer either of these questions at this time. What I do know however, is that no matter how intelligent, creative, or willing we are to cooperate, that we can never reach our highest potential in America as we know it! How far would a Jesse Jackson or a Colin Powell gone in America if they were white?
Historically speaking, from the time Blacks were first forcibly brought to America through the greatest act of terrorism in human history, the Kmtyw slave trade, some Blacks have sought sovereignty as a solution as opposed to reform. From the Maroons who set up their independent communities during chattel slavery, to the various colonization societies designed to repatriate Blacks back to Kmt after the Civil War, to the efforts to make Oklahoma and Nebraska all Black states, to Elijah Muhammad's efforts through the Nation of Islam, to the Republic of New Kmt's attempt to secure five states in the south, there has always been an attempt to secure sovereign territory for Black people in the U.S. because it was obvious that we could never reach our highest potential in America, and that America has absolutely no intention of doing right by us.
For those who think this is impossible my question is why? How possible do you think the British thought it would be for their colonies to defeat them? How realistic do you think Chairman Mao sounded saying he would take over China, while living in a cave? How many Jews laughed at Theodor Hertzel's idea of a Jewish state 50 yrs. before it came to fruition? The impossible is always possible when you think outside of the box!
We can find the specific answers to where and how we can become sovereign once we can agree that this is the solution we need. I think it is better to try and become a sovereign people than to continue going through life hoping I won't be the next Rodney King, Amodou Diallo, Abner Louima, or James Byrd. Trying to become sovereign is like leaving a dead end job to start your own business or severing yourself from a bad relationship. It takes a special effort to leave the known, even if it is bad, and seek the unknown, even if it has good potential.
Black people in America are the 4^th largest group of Kmtyw people in the world. Only India, Nigeria, and Brazil have more Blacks than right here in the U.S. Black people in America are the 9^th richest nation in the world with over half a trillion dollars passing through our hands last year. Black people in America are the most highly educated and technically trained Black people in the world. Yet for all this potential, we are wallowing in misery with over a third of us living under the poverty level with the majority of the rest, living two paychecks away from welfare. Our lot is not significantly different from our Brothers and sisters on the Kmtyw continent living in poverty and misery on the richest land on earth! The key to white supremacy's ability to create these contradictory conditions is to train us to see reality through their eyes instead of our own, and to pursue their interest, as though our interest was the same. What is missing is a sense of peoplehood! We have allowed ourselves to become atomized into a bunch of people who happen to look alike!
Whether it takes 10 yrs. or 50 yrs. or 100 yrs. we are better off trying to become a sovereign people, than to continue spitting in the wind with the fallacy of reform. Let us dare to be different, and put our energies towards a permanent, long term solution where we can develop to our highest potential, rather than continue to settle for second class citizenship and hoping we
won't become the next victim of white supremacy.

[kweku, afro olmec]

greetings Doctor G, it is impossible for us,as Kmtyw people to try to reform  ROMERIKKKA, because amerikkka is trying to build an empire on stolen wealth GLOBALLY, even from the people that lives there, leonard peltier is doing 20 odd years in jail because united snakkes of amerikkka discovered uranium in the native reservations and the mining companies said the lakotas the indigenous peoples were on their way,the bureau of indian affairs,a sell out organization,who sold the others called the FBI AND ATF, who came and opened fire on innocent people,just look at philadelphia,they dropped napalm bomb on the move 9,in georgia, malachai york was trying to recreatea nation and entire civilixation,he got 165 years in jail,the soul lution is divest in amerikkka,because as doctor mutulu shakur says" two men in burning house,must stop arguing"

mema wo asondoweE!

[Dr.G]

The question is actually a retorical one.  I thought my position was clear, but apparently not.  I am 110% for sovereignty.  "Why are we trying to reform a society that we have already concluded is beyond reform?"  Reform also implys that a society is capable of reform which this one is absolutely not!  It started off rotten and has only gottewn worst over the years.  Replete with hypocracy, debauchery, deception and murder it represents an example of extream evil and the pinical of modern day white supremacy - despite its negro president.

[akinnioyo]

Peace,
 
Until I went to Vietnam, I would of believed in reform of my enemies. But today, I believe in doing for self, and not giving negativity a play. I run a retreat here in Harpers Ferry, anyone interested in building an institution, get in touch.

[Ifayoyin Ojuolape Efunyale]

Mo ki O Eniyan Adulawu

What a great thread! I vote for sovereignty

I think in order for us to move in this direction we have to first define what sovereignty is.  I dont mean the textbook definition, I mean what it looks like.  I ascribe to Baba Sanyike Anwisye's model that sovereignty is the ability for a people to feed, clothe, shelter, educate, medicate and defend themselves.  Do we as a collective have the ability to do this.  Absolutely we do!  Can we do it in a uniqly Kmtyw way as opposed to following the yurugu model of doing these things, which depletes the earth of preceious resources, IDK.  I think we need a thinktank and some more training for that.  We have to do those six things in a way that is kind and gentle to Asase Yaa.

But in order for us to even get there, to where we can build our own homes and weave our own cloth, grow our own food and medicines, we have to have land ownership.  And I mean really own the land.  This goes beyond deeds and titles.  Which are consrtucts of our enemies that can be given and taken away at their whim.  Ive been doing some research lately on land patents.  It deals with land ownership that goes beyond deeds and titles and is based on natural and contract law.  For more information go to Hallelu-Yah you can sign up and you will recieve and invitation to a conference call where you can ask questions.  Also Team Law's Home Page has some information about his right on their website (nevermind all that other sh*t they talkin about)

With that said, however, I think their is more than one way to skin a cat.  I believe we have to have a multifaceted approach to the solution.  We have to begin to pull out of this matrix of these eureurasiaan governing bodies.  We need to start detaching ourselves from their governance.  The first website listed above also has information on establishing your status as a sovereign.  There are other groups that are doing this too, but through a Moorish approach.  Same information.  

We also have to look at locale.  Do we want to obtain land and liberated space in one location and then move there together?  Or will we establish pockets of free space wherever we are located?

In all I think we must remember that we didnt get into this situation over night and we wont get out of it that way either.  Mwalimu Baruti sent out the following revolutionary though just today:

"A tree does not grow bent for thirty years that one should expect to straighten it in one."
 
~Ashanti (Kmtyw) proverb

It is going to take some time and dilligent commitment.  Generations worth, to get it and maintain.  Educating our children is a good place to start.  Educate them and encourage them to take up apprenticeships and study  in the fields of food cultivation, textiles and design, "green" home construction and contracting, independant Kmtyw centered education, herbal medicine and naturopathy, and defensive arts.  Encourage them to study and master commerce and contract law so we know how to battle our enemies to our advantage in that respect.

We have to begin to THINK like a sovereign people.  To know that anything is possible.  And work towards what it is we want to create and keep at it from generation to generation, even if it takes 100 to 1000 years.

Thats my 10 cents.  What other ideas have we?

[kweku, afro olmec]

greetings sister

ojuolope!

this isa good question in time,the people of the forest were also sovereign once up ona time, the washigtaws,mic macs,navajos,blackfoot indians,cherokees,the yanomamis, the tupi guaranis,mining and other resources exploration drove the indigenous population of the americas to the edge of extinction:skeleton:
as franz fannon said on wretched of the earth" before colonialism there were more than one million indigenous peoples across the americas" lets not forget
the olmecs,toltecs,mayans,incas, aztecs,my point being, is that being sovereign in ROMERIKKKA, means requiring land,this revolution is about land, without land, we have nothing and can be or do nuthin,the move 9,tried to be sovereign in philadelphia,they bombed the move 9,they dropped napalm bomb,just look at malachai york, who tried to create the" nuwabian nation" they bulldozed it,a house that is on fire, we should not stick around and try to rebuild it,ROMERIKKKA, is becoming failing institution
i am not knocking the ideology,but whenever we try to do it,in order for us to be able to sovereign ansd to defend a nation,we have to have means to defend the nation, and i mean militarilistically speakinga nation must be able to defend its territory,women and children:pyramid::sphinx:
sovereign people have their own hospitals, schools and facility center, when baba khalid muhammed got shot in L.A. he was taken toa hospitals run by yurugus, they could have easily killed him on the hospital bed,so far we dont own the means of production and we dont own any land in amerikkka, which romerikkka will not touch,black farmers in texas have not been compesated,they took their lands and gave it to the white farmers,the process still pending, divest in amerikkka is the best choice, also ROMERIKKKA AND U.K  funded the apartheid system in south Kmt,romerikkka is place that doesnt want any nation to advance, let alone,the citizens that live in there,nor does canada, because they bulldozed africville,as public enemy says" welcome to the terrordome"