What is the role of whites in Kmtyw Spiritual Systems-gctid25728

[pain]

^^^ I think Kwesi ready to take them out of our spiritual systems as well as  perhaps other planes of existence as well. lol

That's why he's asking for names.

[EmpresKeneilwe]

Greetings family,
 
I dont think they have a role, why shud they?
These are our system - let's keep it that way. They can practice them, but I feel they shouldnt head them.
 
Yours in divinity
Hotep and Oneness

[Ib-Ra-Hima]

K.ka Sabaka,

I truly appreciate your response. I am always trying to keep the theme, in my responses here, the notion of not being reactionary and that the fight and struggles of us as a people is with self to regain our rightful position as keepers of the planet. We must refocus ourselves on what OUR challenges are and not take on the distractions of battles that are not our own to fight, like should YTZ be allowed into the original spiritual systems. If our systems are valid, then the Divine world and the ancestors, the ones our systems are based on, will determine how we should proceed with that. These systems are our guide as humans from the world of the Divine. We don't get to opine on which humans get to seek spiritual advancement in them and who don't because, as you have said, the Divine world does not recognize color. We are just mortal corruptible humans ultimately seeking the same goal, whether some of us on this earth are willing to acknowledge this or not. But it is difficult to stay clear on this communication and train of thought when we still often have the underlying programming of a destructive culture initiating even what we consider to be "OUR issues" that are worthy of mention and further investigation/discussion. As you have mentioned, we take on the mindset of our oppressors and even his approach on considering what our own mindset should be and our way of handling what is arrived at. It a quite the quandry but one we must continue to deconstruct for the sake of our true advancement.

What to change the world... Change the self, for there is no world to change.

Ib-Ra-Hima

[Ib-Ra-Hima]

K.ka Sabaka,

I truly appreciate your response. I am always trying to keep the theme, in my responses here, the notion of not being reactionary and that the fight and struggles of us as a people is with self to regain our rightful position as keepers of the planet. We must refocus ourselves on what OUR challenges are and not take on the distractions of battles that are not our own to fight, like should YTZ be allowed into the original spiritual systems. If our systems are valid, then the Divine world and the ancestors, the ones our systems are based on, will determine how we should proceed with that. These systems are our guide as humans from the world of the Divine. We don't get to opine on which humans get to seek spiritual advancement in them and who don't because, as you have said, the Divine world does not recognize color. We are just mortal corruptible humans ultimately seeking the same goal, whether some of us on this earth are willing to acknowledge this or not. But it is difficult to stay clear on this communication and train of thought when we still often have the underlying programming of a destructive culture initiating even what we consider to be "OUR issues" that are worthy of mention and further investigation/discussion. As you have mentioned, we take on the mindset of our oppressors and even his approach on considering what our own mindset should be and our way of handling what is arrived at. It a quite the quandry but one we must continue to deconstruct for the sake of our true advancement.

Want to change the world... Change the self, for there is no world to change outside of the self.

Ib-Ra-Hima

[Agbede]

Their role:

While we are practicing our culture, they can sit on the sidelines and stab themselves until they drown in their own blood.

[pain]

^^^ Probably the best answer in this thread.

[kweku, afro olmec]

greetings oluko kwame, pain,kwesi, ib ra hima,:hello::sphinx::pyramid:
well they have no role in our  ancient mystery systems and esoterik knowledge, i think the worse than whites in the tradition is negro priests, not too long ago,this guy that lives in nyc, who goes by the name of nu henri mensa told me dat" white people are part of the creation" he told me thats what the deities told him, and that everything will be ok, he is also on my space as well as under egypitian vodun priest,knee grow priests are worse than white people in the tradition,because,they also have ase and they are misleading people,like i was told by one nigerian" ifa is for the whole world" the same guy that said white people are part of the creation also said that" no deities that he ever spoke with has told him that whites should be eliminated"
 in brazil, many whites that have joined camdomble  have become rich off the tradition while lots of Kmtyws are still poor and still living in the favelas across brazil, brazil,haiti,cuba are intiating whites,thats a big concern for me, i dont know about akan system,there are lots of white people in  IFA, and because nigerians have opened the doors, they are now pimping the tradition like the guy who owns awo study center and the other jewish guy making lots of dough off the tradition, he charges people 10 000 dollars for hands of ifa:skeleton: also if u check youtube, u will see dem in benim,taking pictures of cerimonies,there are lots of whites in santeria as well, if you  go to youtube,@ kwesi,the guy from nyc who said no deity ever told him that whites should be eliminated he goes by the name of nu henri mensa, he says he is hougoun asogowe,if i have spelled correctly, in nigeria they worship that belgium woman who became osun priestess,so it is worse than we imagine, because they are in it and they are pimping the tradition with the permission from people in the continent.

[tarchea]

Well put sista! They need to be out down once and for all! I do not wish to live in so called harmony with whites! It is them, their house niggers and their evil MIXED seed that called our ancestors hell! It is time Kmtyws awake and get rid of the vomit that is destroying our planet. Throughout the whole solar system, we are the only ones who have this beast on the planet!:sniper::flaming:

[Hurunupu]

Whites or Gerkas{Greco, Greek-tamahus} have gravetated towards and fell in love with the onesided attribute of Setukh, set[setian, satanic} and has a total disregard for the omnipotent, omniscience and omnipresence of Wsir[Asar, Osiris} which makes them disrespect and perpetuate an unbalanced view of the total culture for people of color all over the planet. The attributes and Assets of Maat{Netert, mother goddess} along with All the Neteru on the tree of life enables one with the power to be divinely balanced, attuned and one with All of the forces within the cosmos and not just one{Setian, Satan}.:pyramid:

[Ib-Ra-Hima]

Family,
It seems we still have the death grip on the hook with the distracting bate reeling us in. We have apparently found it useful to excuse our own internal beast, the beast within, to target and blame some infantile destroyers, manifestations of the beast without. That's like blaming a baby and their destructive inquisitiveness for why the crops failed the milk spoiled and famine ravaged the entire land. Let's think about this... the smallest group in the world relative to the melanated people of earth, climb out of the mountain caves, and ruins the entire planet for all the rest of the anciently preserved humanity and all other living things... I'd say something must have went wrong with the oldest people on the planet if they can let a destructive baby burn the house down, destroy the saved seeds for next season's crops etc. What is more likely is that it wasn't just the barbaric babies. But the truly weak part, the part that makes US today true losers, is for us to continue living in the streets and begging for food and blaming those babies and their descendants for the situation, saying lets kill all those babies' descendants who were destructive.
 
We all know that YTZ system represents SETH. If we want to contain SETH we must conquer him at the point when we first identify him. This identification then becomes of paramount importance, for if we cannot recognize when he is presenting himself we are already lost. SETH cannot be destroyed because he is a force that is ubiquitous throughout our universe as is that of USRI/Aunited snakesr. With the example of the child or barbaric people we cannot go kill them because in that process we just perpetuate the force that is SETH. The battle between order and disorder is spiritual not physical, physicality is just where the dynamic between these states is most readily manifest. Our job here, as humans, is to contain evil by the perpetuation of LIFE/Ankh through the related cycle of USRI (death and resurrection) Reincarnation.
   
  These babies, YTZ, can not be the only force we are battling, us the oldest and wisest people on the planet. I mean really!!! Some cave dwellers came down from the caves and crippled the greatest civilization known to man?!?!? No! I don't think so... Not by themselves! What we are looking at and blaming for our misery these pink colored descendants of the barbarians, YTZ and their attributed system, happen to be just the surface of a much more powerful eternal force. This force is SETH a GOD a most powerful GOD/Neter. His power was contained in our golden age by the practice of our spiritual traditions given to us by USRI a most fragile and delicate GOD/Neter. SETH is who we understood to be the real adversary, not no baby barbarians coming out of no caves. SETH, if you will, just used the destructiveness of those baby people to his advantage just as he can use any of us who are unable to contain his force within us. WE ALL HAVE SETH WITHIN US!!! We can be just as destructive as those barbarian people if we don't learn to recognize his often subtle influence and the tendency to justify our evil. We can commit the same crimes we claim are so wrong of the YTZ, killing being the door to the Pandora's Box of connected evils, all excused behind noble and just intents. But the path to hell as they say is paved with good intentions.
   
  If we consider killing a crime then how could US killing them, YTZ or anyone else, not be a criminal act? Because we have "justification" right? They killed first! But to take that point of view is to then be locked in the dynamic of action – reaction, one of  SETH's many playgrounds, which is exactly what is destroying the entire world. He kills then we kill, he takes revenge and kills some more, so we kill some more and on and on. Look at some of OUR youth who could kill their "OWN" even, without batting an eye. What is their justification? He was on my block or me and him had beef because of xyz. If we look at it sociologically we could say the system is to blame for creating the circumstance but where will this blame game end? If we keep following it, blaming this group and that injustice we could end up back to the question of why we were even born to a world where such injustice could happen. We could say, if the YTZ hadn't did what they did we wouldn't even be in this situation. Then we could say, if the YTZ never existed this shooting would not have happened or if they never invaded Kemet this particular killing would have been avoided. WHERE WOULD WE STOP?! When we get to the point of asking, why did the Neteru let this happen?!?!
   
  Let us grow up and take responsibility for OUR part in this condition we find ourselves in and stop what could be tantamount to blaming the Gods for our fallen state, blaming the Neteru for the murder that happens in OUR neighborhoods. No we have to take ownership of our behaviors in spite of the conditions in which we find ourselves. It is that uphill struggle, that arduous undertaking, those laborious trials when met and faced with courage and perseverance that allows HERU to begin his walk toward victory and the restoration of the Kingdom of USRI. This is the trail we face not no petty, infantile, barbaric minions doing the bidding of their master! They and many of US are just tools, the mechanisms of delivery. We must address the mastermind! This again is a spiritual struggle that manifest in the physical.
   
  If we don't understand this reality, then WE are no different than the folks we call YTZ "Crackkkerz" and all the other childish pejoratives we attribute to them like they do to US. It doesn't matter if YTZ came from Mars as Reptilians, if we end up behaving like they do, then whatever the force is, that drives that behavior has an effect on Reptiles and US Humans alike. That then makes the force the true enemy!!!! With ALL the "Spiritual" rhetoric I see on this site we still have not truly seemed to internalize the fact that ALL THAT WE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IS THE EFFECT OF THE DYNAMIC OF SPIRITUAL FORCES. We are merely the facilitators of whichever force we are inclined to act on behalf of. Yet we feel so justified in our enmity toward some flunkies of SETH's. Expending our energies worried about them making money off of OUR systems etc is a waste of time. They are STILL making money off OUR blood, sweat and tears! All of it is corruption but they cannot corrupt the Gods so it is US that must again be clear on where SETH is getting us and focus OUR attention there. Really, how far can a corrupt human being YT or Black get, in relationship to the GODS? We must understand that precisely that was and is our goal! To be close to the Neteru, to ourselves become Neteru! So with all the money YTZ and Knee Grows make exploiting aspects of OUR spiritual systems, where does that leave them on the continuum of Humanities goal?

That's what I mean by distraction from OUR true work. WE ALL SEEM TO BE CAUGHT UP ON THE EFFECT RATHER THAN THE CAUSE!!! It is in the field of the myriad effects that we find ourselves futilely trying to sever the million and one heads of an immortal force. In truth the fact that you exist is enough to perpetuate the re-growing of two heads after one is severed. However if, in learning that your existence is predicated upon its existence and visa-versa, by the laws of correspondence, and to kill it is to destroy existence, then you may have to consider how to tailor your existence in a way that impedes the energy given to that immortal force, so that you may be able to slow its growth and thereby contain IT. I could speculate and say that the more we embody the characteristics of different Neteru in our behaviors the more we will see their essential natures manifest in the physical reality we inhabit. This should bring the significance of each of OUR lives into perspective when we realize OUR own role in the becoming of all that exists. This is no small matter. It is up to all of US including the new comers/YTZ, if we hope to survive the cycles of the universe and its unending dynamic of opposites, to do our part in making sure our contributions to the reality, which is a projection of our minds and our minds a reflection of it, is worthy of honor in the annuls of our spiritual history.
   
  It is in that context that we can see the insignificance of this question of YTZ in OUR spiritual systems. So boo-hoo they're making money using OUR stuff! The truth is even though they may have found yet another thing to corrupt, WE still have not used what WE already have the way it supposed to be used, which is to consistently and unflinchingly combat corruption no matter where it is or the skin it may present itself in, ESPECIALLY IN SELF to bring us closer to Godhood! So are WE not corrupting OUR spirituality by OUR failure to do with it what was intended?! It is still corruption and evil, aspects attributed to SETH! Kente cloth, Ankhs, Yuroba, Akan systems, Jojo bags etc and all of the variations of Our "Kmtyw" expressions have to be truly applied toward the ultimate refinement, the goal of becoming perfected beings. All other applications of our knowledge will ultimately lead to corruption and destruction no matter who misapplies it YTZ, Blacks etc.
   
  So let US stop giving these young barbarians so much credit! It is easier to destroy than to build, and preserve. It is not that they are so much of a threat but the fact that what they happen to represent is a force that knows no bounds and can not be defeated by the same means that it attacks. We must then be diligent in OUR effort to preserve and rebuild OUR fragile world as the means of combat. Goodness is weaker than Evil, so it takes much more work to keep it alive. That is why it is easier to kill than to give life, to make someone ill than to heal, to lay than to stand up right, TO MAKE EXCUSES AND WASTE TIME BLAMING OTHERS, THAN TO TAKE WHAT IS OURS AND MAKE IT WORK TOWARD OUR GOAL OF PERFECTION!
   
  The correct battlefield for all our riffle animations and tank photos etc is in the realm of the heart and the mind. Want to fight somebody? Fight with self and you will see how ugly and difficult that battle truly is, not with some group of minions who only deplete the energy you need for that true fight!

TO BE CLEAR... YTZ ARE NOT AND HAVE NEVER BEEN OUR REAL PROBLEM. IT TAKES A BREAKDOWN IN THE MARCH TOWARD GODS TO STOP A GODLY PEOPLE. YTZ WERE JUST THE MECHANISM THAT FACILITATED THAT FINAL BREAKDOWN AND THE SPREAD OF THEIR CONTAGEOUS DESTRUCTIVENESS. WE MUST FIND THE ROOT. THAT ROOT HOWEVER IS IN ALL OF US AND IS CALLED SETH. SETH AND USRI ARE UNIVERSAL FORCES, DIVINE NETER AND AS SUCH, ARE A PART OF US AND MUST BE KEPT IN PROPER BALANCE FOR US TO GROW. YTZ WERE JUST INCLINED IN THEIR IGNORANCE TO TIP THAT BALANCE TOWARD SET AND THAT EXTREME IS BEING MANIFEST IN THE WORLD TODAY AS DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. WE CANNOT USE THE METHODS THAT YTZ HAVE USED AND HAS BROUGHT THE WORLD TO POINT THAT IT IS NOW, TO RE-ESTABLISH THAT BALANCE TOWARD LIFE/ANKH AND USRI, BECAUSE TO USE THAT METHOD IS TO FOLLOW THE PATH OF SETH AND FURTHER TIP THE BALANCE IN HIS DIRECTION.
   
  Want to change the world... Change the SELF!
   
  Ib-Ra-Hima

[pain]

Realized that I never actually voted.

I went ahead and picked the 4 before the last one.

But I also really really like Akhu's answer.  

[Quintin]

:khepera:Well said, very true, we often are still 2 programmed 2 realize who started the systems in the first place,  so I believe our ancestors know what is best.

[Akua Ma'at]

this is VERY encouraging.

Oluko Obadele;25742 wrote: In Larteh (Dat¢ in Twi), Nana Nsia originally born in Ghana but now operating out of new york tried to bring a white "woman" to be initiated about two years ago. It created a huge tumult as the Abosom were consulted and the Abosom said that whites were given access to the knowledge once, never again. They gave a unanimous verdict that that white "woman" was not to be initiated and no others were to be initiated. The elders of Dat¢ then also came together and gave the same verdict that the white "woman" and no other whites were to have initiations.

I found this to be very encouraging and much more sensible than the track record of getting drunk off of the liquor of the whites and then giving them the things that they came to steal.

This is a law of the Abosom and Mpanimfo¡ as now passed down through oral traditions there in Dat¢.

¡kyeame Kwame

[Haki Ammi]

What I've found in my travels is that many Babalawoss and Akan Priests "Most" for the most part are nothing more than Christians with a Dashiki and some beads around their necks. They are for the most part came to Kmtywism as a form of escaping though they carry on many of the weaknesses of Christianity within them. For instance many hold on to much of the destructiveness, degeneracy and dysfunctionality that their Negro families continue to teach and bring. So they bring this trash right along into Kmtyw Centers "see Bro. Baruti's new book Centered" Some things and some people need to be left behind. Love affair with lost soul Christianized Negro's need to be dropped. So all you Pro Homo Babalawos and Negroized Priest that allow Homosexuals into Akoms will be called out. I'm raising the bar on this immediately. I've seen this punks and these Negro's operate for too long with impunity disgracing our Ancestors. Some are trully lost souls and some "Just lack Security Consciousness". Oh, Yes, I've seen them. I've seen them in places of which no one would expect them to be accepted.

[donnabarlow]

I am unsure. Hopefully nothing if they don't have a part in making this a better planet. They've caused enough hell already. But I'm still unsure, because I don't know everything.