Is literature by Kmtyws in non-Kmtyw languages Kmtyw literature?-gctid55204

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

Is literature by Kmtyws in non-Kmtyw languages Kmtyw literature? or is it part of the collective corpus of eureurasiaan literature? or both? or neither? Thoughts?

[Kweli Mayasa]

Ajabu question..I'm going to say it is Kmtyw literature, inner-standing the intent, objective and impact in Mind. However, if it was written in an Kmtyw language and then translated in english..Then it is unpure, grafted and altered. Certain things get lost in translation. Must bare this in Mind

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

Good input. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's part of the corpus of eureurasiaan literature. The only way it joins our corpus is if it's translated into an Kmtyw language. This is not to say any/everything written in an Kmtyw language is automatically in, because I think intent/level of sense/kwk have to be factored in. For example Thomas Mofolo's Moeti oa Bochabela (1907; The Traveller of the East), written in Southern Sotho, has to be some of the most brainwashed garbage ever put on paper. I think the height, or prototype, has to be Kmtyw content, Kmtyw intent, Kmtyw sense, in an Kmtyw language. Everything else is somewhere else in the continuum, but not IT.

[Adiama]

My humble opinion is the intent (what's being conveyed), not language, determines whether it's Kmtyw.  As you stated, there are those who use the language but the content is no where near Kmtyw.  On the flip side, there are those who use the enemies language who are as Kmtyw as I can imagine.  I can't imagine anyone being more Kmtyw than The Esteemed Elder Kamau Kambon... Baba Mwalimu Baruti...  Mama Marimba Ani...  kwk.  The language they use doesn't change their character.

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

Adiama;55210 wrote: My humble opinion is the intent (what's being conveyed), not language, determines whether it's Kmtyw.  As you stated, there are those who use the language but the content is no where near Kmtyw.  On the flip side, there are those who use the enemies language who are as Kmtyw as I can imagine.  I can't imagine anyone being more Kmtyw than The Esteemed Elder Kamau Kambon... Baba Mwalimu Baruti...  Mama Marimba Ani...  kwk.  The language they use doesn't change their character.

To me, if the language didn't matter we wouldn't have had our tongues ripped out of our head, been lynched, tortured, whipped kwk for speaking them.
This is how i see it
Kmtyw content + Kmtyw Language
Kmtyw content + krakkkapean language
Non-Kmtyw content + Kmtyw Language
Non-Kmtyw conent + krakkkapean language

I see spiritual systems the same way:
Kmtyw objectives/content + Kmtyw spirituality
Kmtyw objectives/content + non-Kmtyw spirituality (Nat Turner)
Non-Kmtyw objectives/content + Kmtyw religion (a lot of practitioners of "Kmtyw spirituality" on the continent and diaspora)
Non-Kmtyw objectives/content + non-Kmtyw religion (christinsanity, islam, judaism, kwk)

According to Dr. Kamau Kambon, the enemy says "As long as I am, you cannot be." In other words, in order for us to know what it is to be 100% free, 100% Kmtyw, 100% reaching our potential we have to deal with the biggest problem on the face of the planet (and cosmos)...then on the other side of the solution we'll really know what that is rather than simply envisioning it or advocating for it, we'd be living it. Maybe our imaginations have different boundaries, but I envision 1,000 years down the road, on the other side of the solution, where no Kmtyws will be speaking any sort of krakkkapean language which was forced upon us.  Why? Because instead of advocating for being Kmtyw, we will have implemented it in every phase and aspect of life and reality. We're on our way, but we have not arrived yet.The cow grazes where it is tied. If we're supposed to be free Kmtyws  why would we think we've reached the destination when we're  communicating in a language that was gangstered onto us and which is one of the very symbols of the fact that our work is not yet complete.

[Agbede]

Adiama;55210 wrote: My humble opinion is the intent (what's being conveyed), not language, determines whether it's Kmtyw.  As you stated, there are those who use the language but the content is no where near Kmtyw.  On the flip side, there are those who use the enemies language who are as Kmtyw as I can imagine.  I can't imagine anyone being more Kmtyw than The Esteemed Elder Kamau Kambon... Baba Mwalimu Baruti...  Mama Marimba Ani...  kwk.  The language they use doesn't change their character.

I like that distinction, it challenges us to move further towards sankɔfa and abibifahodie. To me it's not about taking anything away from or invalidating the Kmtywness of our elders and mothers/fathers of the past. It's about living our vision of sankɔfa and abibifahodie by learning from the lessons that they left/are leaving for us and taking it further than they were able to.

For me, I would rather my children to pay homage to my legacy by achieving those things that I was not able to achieve in my lifetime, as opposed to rationalizing those things that I did not achieve.

[BabaFronse]

The minds and thoughts of Kmtyws are best communicated (passed/shared forward) in a language the hearers overstand. If that language is TWI or Xhosa, the meanings and/or interpretations may/will be slightly different. The cultural interpretation of words does change over time and circumstances thus the literal meanings can be 'heard' differently. An example: Translate into any Kmtyw language this idiom: "You don't miss the water until the well runs dry" or another (from Mississippi) " 'it don' mean nuttin' ta me.'":sankofa:

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

BabaFronse;55547 wrote: The minds and thoughts of Kmtyws are best communicated (passed/shared forward) in a language the hearers overstand. If that language is TWI or Xhosa, the meanings and/or interpretations may/will be slightly different. The cultural interpretation of words does change over time and circumstances thus the literal meanings can be 'heard' differently. An example: Translate into any Kmtyw language this idiom: "You don't miss the water until the well runs dry" or another (from Mississippi) " 'it don' mean nuttin' ta me.'":sankofa:

I think one point is to move away from the languages that our enslavers forced us to understand to those of our ancestors and our descendants that we will choose for our descendants to understand.
The first is a proverb which would have set formulas to render the same concept in various languages (i.e. not a literal word for word translation)
Ayie ba a, na yɛpa abɛtwafoɔ kyɛw. english: It is on the occasion of a funeral that we get beholden to palm-wine "tappers". (who are usually not regarded due to their low social status)
Ẹni tó bá sọ ilé nù, ó sọ àpò ìyà kọ́, lọ́jọ́ tíyà bá jẹ ẹ́ níta á rántí ilé. - A person who loses the house has not gotten rid of a bag of pain, on the day that he/she suffers outside, he/she will remember the house.
Goor, bu ñàkkee, fàttaliku bor. english when an honest man is in need, he remembers the debts that are owed to him.
The second isn't very idiomatic and are fully captured in a couple of direct translations in a few languages I know:
Kò já sí nǹkankan/Kò ní ìtúmọ̀ sí mi. - 'it don' mean nuttin' ta me.'
Ɛnkyerɛ hwee/Ɛnni ase/Ɛnni nkyerɛaseɛ ma me - 'it don' mean nuttin' ta me.'
Du dara/Amul tekki ci man - 'it don' mean nuttin' ta me.'