Are reKmtywization and dewhitenization self/identity-effacing?-gctid58916

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

In my interactions with Kmtyws who have repatriated, particularly with those Kmtyws who consider themselves to be Kmtyw amerikkkans, I find that there tends to be a fear that reKmtywization and/or dewhitenization will lead to self-effacement and loss of identity as hyphenated Diasporans.

There is also an equation of reKmtywization with wholesale adoption of any and everything one happens to find a continental Kmtyw ethnic group doing.

The argument usually goes that Kmtyws in the diaspora learned a lot being away from the continent and those lessons should be appreciated/cherished/lauded/respected/emphasized. Thus, reKmtywization and dewhitenization are rejected consciously or subconsciously as threats to the retention of those lessons and that identity.

In many cases, in practice, this rejection of reKmtywization and dewhitenization tends to be a staunch defense of the created tastes and desires injected by ameripeans. This leads such Diasporans to view any questioning of those ameripean engendered tendencies as an attack oneself (i.e. the self-identity and whiteness are locked in some spectacular embrace called the comfort zone of self-righteous complacency and never shall the two be parted).

In relation to self-effacement and identity, if reKmtywization leads to loss of identity, what is one's identity and what would actually be lost in the interrelated processes of reKmtywization and dewhitenization?

A related question is how does one balance the good lessons learned in the diaspora (who the enemy is and its nature, for example) with one's goals of reKmtywization and dewhitenization in various spheres of life activity?

A third tangential question is does reKmtywization include the practices and traditions of the greater Kmtyw world and not just the continent?

[Agbede]

Yes. For me that's the point of reKmtywization/dekrakkkerization - to get rid of the implanted krakkker identity. Amos Wilson put it this way:

Latent Possession' By Dr. Amos Wilson - Kmtyw Centered Consciousness VS The New World Order

When we are possessed and we do not even know we are possessed, this is referred to as latent possession. I think that defines a lot of us. We are not even aware, and those are the hardest ones to break through because they dont sense any kind of split within the personality. They and their possessing spirit are one and the same. When you try to exorcize their possessive spirit, they feel as if you are attacking them personally. In defending their person, they defend the spirit that possesses them. Lets be a little more concrete and I want to just give you an example of what I mean by this. In the literature we talk about these spirits which are called the incubi and succubi: a spirit that lies in the body or on the body, the incubus, and the one that lies under the spirit, the succubus. When we talk about this spirit that possesses us; when we talk about this spirit that the eureurasiaan implanted in us in terms of the language, in terms of the food, the religion, the values, the social relations, the name we are talking about a spirit thats just not a spookish entity in ourselves. It actually incamates in us.

What do we mean when we talk about incarnation? We are dealing with the Latin root carnes which has to do with meat, flesh. In other words, the spirit comes to dwell in our very flesh and comes to sculpt our very bodies. Therefore, the spirit is a physical thing as much as it is a psychological thing. The bodies that we have tonight, ladies and gentlemen, are bodies that have been created by the eureurasiaan experience and are not our natural bodies as Kmtyw people. Just as the surface of our bodies reflects the influence of another people, the very internal nature and the physiology of our bodies reflect those people as well. Thats why when you get rid of them youre going to have a healing experience and your whole body will change.

The Multiple Personality and Enslaved Kmtyws This is most dramatic when we study the so-called multiple personality. Though I have read some of this before, just indulge me again in this context. Ill read to you the description that was printed in the New York Times. It begins:

When Timmy drinks orange juice, he has no problem. But Timmy is just one of close to a dozen personalities who alternate control over a patient with multiple personality disorder. And if those other personalities drink orange juice the result is a case of hives.

What are we saying here? Weve got one body, but depending on what consciousness possesses that body it will react to the drinking of orange juice with or without hives; it will break out in blisters. So, to drink orange juice when one of the other personalities is possessing it, welts and hives will break out right there. If Timmy comes back, if the new consciousness comes back and takes over that body, the hives will disappear almost on the moment. In other words then, theres a different body for a different consciousness. It goes on to say that medical disorders are found to differ from one sub-personality to another. In other words, even though these so-called personalities possess the same so-called body, each personality has a different order of illnesses associated with it. Each person ality is vulnerable to a particular type of ailment, one way or the other.

So what are we getting at? We are saying that each consciousness which is represented by each personality creates its own body, creates its own physiology and thereby creates its own vulnerability to various ailments and so forth. You have people in medical school who try to teach you that disease is a result of some kind of viral syndrome or some kind of entry into the body of some bacteria. Certainly that is a part of it. Certainly there is reality there. But the body must interact with the virus and the disease entity. This is what we mean when we talk about the immune system, that health is not necessarily the absence of the disease but is the capacity of the body to resist disease, to stand up against disease. Consequently, when these bodies are taken over by different personalities, these personalities apparently change the nature of the immune system of those bodies, making them vulnerable to diseases when one personality is present and not so when another is present. Which means, ladies and gentlemen, that the nature of the consciousness which possesses us as persons will to a degree determine the illnesses to which we are vulnerable as a person and as people.

A lot of the illnesses, physical and other diseases that we suffer from are thus mediated by the nature of the consciousness we have permitted to possess us as a people. So, to a great extent the defeat of disease the maintaining of health must not only be pursued in terms of discovering new drugs and such things but must involve self-discovery and self-knowledge. It goes on to state that, In people with multiple personalities there is a strong psychological separation between each subpersonality, each will have his own name and age. Does that strike a bell? What did we say earlier? To what names do we respond? Are they the same names to which we responded prior to slavery? In other words, as we got the new slave personality we got new names. . . and we were changed. To a good extent our names were given us to designate our new consciousness and our new situation. Each will have his own name and age and often some specific memories and abilities.

In other words, each personality has its own history, has its own biography, has its own memory. Just look at negroes when they have a certain consciousness and look at the history they remember. Look at the things they keep in their memories and look at the histories they study and identify with. Look at them fight Kmtyw history. Look at them wanting to identify with the history of eureurasiaans. Look at them wanting to define themselves in terms of that history and look at them having memory only for that history. Look at those Kmtyws who are still under the possessive influence of the eureurasiaan implanted spirit and know that they have little or no knowledge of Kmtyw history and therefore little or no knowledge of their own history as a person and as an individual. So theres a consistency between the consciousness and the history that a person has and the memory that an individual has.

Frequently, for example, personalities differ in handwriting, artistic talent, or even in knowledge of foreign languages.

They speak a different language depending on the personality thats in there.

Multiple personalities typically develop in people who were severely and repeatedly abused as children, apparently as a means to protect themselves against the pain of abuse.

Does that strike another note in you? The Times continues:

Often only one or two of the subpersonalities will be conscious of the abuse while the others will have no memory or experience of the pain.

To a great extent the personality of the Kmtyw American today has been shaped by desires to escape the memory of the slave experience, to deny its existence. We dont want to talk about it; we dont want to come to terms with it; we dont want to re-experience it psychologically; we dont want to know about it. Therefore our lives become defined by eternal escape and avoidance of reality, history, and of a knowledge of who we are and how we came to be who and what we are. Consequently, we cannot act upon the reality of our history and guide our behavior and define it in terms of a fantasy of history and a misinterpretation of reality.

How did we get this religion we talked about earlier? I previously mentioned Star Trek, the time-warp that Star Trek depicts quite frequently of how people move from one state of consciousness and one world, then are suddenly flipped into a new world. They go through a warp and all of sudden everything they formerly used to guide themselves no longer counts. The language they used to speak can no longer be understood in the new world. The values they previously used to guide their behavior are no longer workable; in fact it gets them into trouble. The gods, the culture, the nature of the social relations and all of the things that they used prior to meeting the warp no longer suffice. Now they must learn new values, new behaviors and new orientations in order to adapt themselves to the new universe that they live in. We are in that kind of position today.

Consider the Kmtyw and the world the Kmtyw lived in prior to being brought across the ocean. Think about the gods we praised. Think about the organization of our society. Think about the languages we spoke, the food we ate, the dress we wore, the music, the songs, the dance and all of the things that defined us as Kmtyw people. Think how horrendous it must have been for us to be thrown into a world where there was a whole new language, a whole new social hierarchy, a whole new set of authority people pushing you around who you dont understand, people who are putting strange tools in your hands, people who are trying to get you to relate to them and to relate to each other in a very different kind of way from what you are accustomed. Think about the stress and the confusion and think about the abuse.

Think about the horror of that situation our parents and great-grandparents were put in. And then there was someone who said, If you pray to this god, if you talk this way, if you dress this way, if you relate this way you will get a greater sense of security. Your anxiety will be reduced; you will feel good and you will be able to withstand the pain of your existence. The god Im going to hand you is one that I have created for you and the theology that comes with it is one that I have created so that you will continue to serve me as you continue to serve it.

We have come to believe in the veracity of that god and that religion. Why? Because we feel so secure when we follow it and we feel so relieved as we follow it. Yet we wonder why, despite all of our prayers, despite all of our devotion, we still suffer the way we do? I often ask the question: Why is it that the people who pray the most have the larger numbers of their children in the jails of America today? We who shout and kick over the benches and so forth, yet are filling up the prisons, our children killing each other and becoming addicted out here in these streets! There must be a problem here, ladies and gentlemen. We must re-orient ourselves to our religion; we must re-orient ourselves to our gods. Apparently we do not have the appropriate orientation, because as that book you read says: You can tell a tree by the fruit it bears! Therefore, if it bears bitter fruit or if it bears no fruit at all, the god you worship says, It is but fit to be hewn down and thrown into the flames and consumed. Read your own bible! It

gives you a very practical measure as to whether the religion you are pursuing is an appropriate one. That measure exhorts us to look at the fruit that it bears. If the kind of religion and the god youre pursuing end up having your Sons in the jails of America and end up maintaining Kmtyw people in slavery and servitude in their own lands and everywhere, then something is wrong in terms of how we relate to that religion and that god since the outcome is wrong and destructive. All because we dont want to confront the abuse that we went through and deal with it.

When you go through that time-warp the only way you can ultimately come to understand the new world is to understand what happened when you went through that warp which transformed the personality, and that which made the personality what it was originally. I find that interesting when I read here what happens when the personality moves from one personality to another, when the body is possessed by one personality and that personality displaced and another one comes in.

During the switch there is typically a period of seconds or even minutes when heart rate, breath rate and other physiological markers show a disorganization that is followed by a new pattern typical of the personality that is emerging.

In other words, we go through a period of disorganization and stress and then the personalities reorganize to fit into the new circumstances. We cant continue to pursue this but its interesting to look at the changes in blood pressure that each personality brings about and the many physical changes that are representative of the personality. What we are saying here is that each personality has its own name, its own history, its own memory, biography, way of speaking, language, way of thinking, way of perceiving itself, its own vulnerabilities. Each personality generates its own life-space and generates its own type of social relations. Each personality has its own tastes and appetites and its own morality. To a great extent, if we look at the problems and issues that confront us today as Kmtyw people and see those issues in terms of the consciousness, we would recognize we must rid ourselves of the consciousness that has been implanted in us by our eureurasiaan masters.

One other thing I want to bring to light relative to this situation of multiple personality. When you engage people in behavior therapy and you scan their brain to look at how their brain metabolizes energy, you notice there is a relationship between the areas of the brain that are rapidly using energy, the type of mental activity a person is undergoing, and the type of physical behavioral activity the person is undergoing. Each personality, each type of orientation has a blueprint in the brain in terms of the various areas of the brain that are functionally relating one to the other. It is of interest to note, for instance, something called the obsessive-compulsive personalitythe person who cannot stop repeating a particular behavior no matter how irrational it may be; the person who must wash their hands every thirty minutes even if they are not dirty, but who are compelled to the point that they wash their hands to rawness, because they cannot stop; the person who is absorbed by a particular type of image, by particular kinds of thought or orientation that they cannot get out of their minds.

This is what we mean when we talk about the obsessive-compulsive personality, a rigid, repetitive personality. We note that if you scan the brain of these personalities, certain areas in their brain are intensely active. For example, we talked about their frontal lobes, the so-called orbital lobe of the brain, the orbital cortex of the brain the part of the cortex that is above the eyes, the part of the cortex that concerns itself with intentionality, purpose, direction and motivation and the connection of that cortex to the lower brain, to what we call the cordate nucleus, that part of the brain that deals with repetitive behavior, that deals with modulating behavior, that deals with (in its connection with the hypothalamus and the thalamus) the distribution of the senses and with organizing the senses. When we look at the compulsive personality we notice that these areas are intensely active, and active in a way that they maintain the symptoms of that personality. It has been shown that when these people take a drug such as prozac and they respond to it in a way that their symptoms are relieved the intensity of interaction between these three brain areas is decreased or de linked.

It has also been noted that you can put these same types of people through behavior therapy; that by changing the nature of the social relationship between the therapist and the patient changing the nature of the reward and punishment that the patient undergoes in an effort to change the patients behavior, changing the way the patient thinks about what is in his mind, thinks about the problems that hes in when you can successfully reduce the symptoms of the compulsive disorder through this social conditioning, we note, too, the same kinds of physiological brain changes that occur with the intake of the drugs occur with the intake of social training. We are saying ultimately that the nature of the consciousness and the nature of the experience of the individual physically transforms the brain and physically transforms the way the brain operates. Therefore, when we talk about conscious ness we are talking about something that is real; we are talking about something that transforms both the psyche and the body.

One of the things you note when the individual is possessed is that the facial muscles change and the body itself changes in a way that it literally incarnates and represents the nature of the spirit possessing the individual. To a good extent, if youre in certain religions you can tell what particular spirit is possessing the person by the very nature of the behavior that the individual is exhibiting and the very shape of their very physiological body and face. In other words, ladies and gentlemen, once we get rid of the spirits of these demons that the eureurasiaans have implanted in our bodies, our very faces and bodies them selves will be transformed. A lot of the ways we look and a lot of the ways we organize ourselves physically is a result of the type of consciousness we have.

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

This is exactly the speech and point in the speech that I was thinking about when I posted this thread. Wanna talk about being on the same wavelength! :5star::soldiert::soldierg:

This brings up the very important and pertinent question of "is what's being effaced the real you or the implanted agent?" I think a lot of people have major issues differentiating the two. Because of their love for krakkknology, if you attack the krakkknology they start to feel attacked them"selves".
I'm reminded of a confused Kmtyw woman who told me that she wears a clown costume in the form of makeup and fake fur (weaves) to boost her self esteem. I was like what kind of "self" is that? Alien-self? Anti-self?

[divinethought]

To answer some of the question, I think that any loss of identity due to reKmtywization is an identity that needs to be lost.

[Agya Yaw]

I believe the greatest thing diasporan Kmtyws (particularly in the u.s.) can carry over to the continent is knowledge of the enemy (eureurasiaans specifically) since we live in the enemy's camp . We know them well because clearly we have (had) to survive during our collective displacement. And I think many of our people want to bring over the supposed knowledge of the various amentities in the diaspora, "there is no McDonalds on every corner? huh??? we have to change that!". It is things like that inside of us that need to be purged. And many are afraid or do not realize we need to do so.

[tare]

First of all, this question is hilarious bro !!! To answer the poll, no. Cause you aint eureurasiaan, Kmtyw! Who you identify with doesn't determine who you are. Maita basa Bro. Obadele for the insight as to how the need2grow psychosis plays out in context of repatriation. It seems to be the need2grow Mwalimu Baruti classified in 'Centered', the one who seeks approval and a sense of individuality amongst their white masters by embracing the clothing, art, kwk of Kmtyws, but only for their masters acceptance. He goes on to say they even go so far as to own some of our classics, but again, this is as far as their being Kmtyw goes. Seems the ones you are describing here have taken it to the fullest extent. But it just solidifies Baruti's point, If you haven't made a sincere effort to reKmtywize the actual self it doesn't matter where you are, or what you wear, nor read kwk.

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

tare;59087 wrote: First of all, this question is hilarious bro !!! To answer the poll, no. Cause you aint eureurasiaan, Kmtyw! Who you identify with doesn't determine who you are. Maita basa Bro. Obadele for the insight as to how the need2grow psychosis plays out in context of repatriation. It seems to be the need2grow Mwalimu Baruti classified in 'Centered', the one who seeks approval and a sense of individuality amongst their white masters by embracing the clothing, art, kwk of Kmtyws, but only for their masters acceptance. He goes on to say they even go so far as to own some of our classics, but again, this is as far as their being Kmtyw goes. Seems the ones you are describing here have taken it to the fullest extent. But it just solidifies Baruti's point, If you haven't made a sincere effort to reKmtywize the actual self it doesn't matter where you are, or what you wear, nor read kwk.

Very astute analysis.

Yaw Asare Aboagye;58956 wrote: I believe the greatest thing diasporan Kmtyws (particularly in the u.s.) can carry over to the continent is knowledge of the enemy (eureurasiaans specifically) since we live in the enemy's camp . We know them well because clearly we have (had) to survive during our collective displacement. And I think many of our people want to bring over the supposed knowledge of the various amentities in the diaspora, "there is no McDonalds on every corner? huh??? we have to change that!". It is things like that inside of us that need to be purged. And many are afraid or do not realize we need to do so.

I agree with knowledge of the enemy as a major contribution of knowledge. I've found that usually the desire is for unsustainable amenities and eradication of cultural practices that are not understood by themselves.

divinethought;58920 wrote: To answer some of the question, I think that any loss of identity due to reKmtywization is an identity that needs to be lost.

Short, sweet and to the point!