Is Kemetic spirituality viable?-gctid24697

[Heru Djet]

There are many proponents of the Kemetic spiritual system. Are these systems consistent with the philosophies and methods of extant Kmtyw spiritual systems (Vodun, Ifa, Abosom)? Are there approaches to Kemetic spirituality that are not based (in-part or whole) on non-Kmtyw (Chinese, Indian, kabbalah, kwk) fillers? Do these modern re-conceptualizations of Kemetic spirituality represent viable approaches for Kmtyws living today?

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

Excellent question!

Those that I am aware of deal with Kemetic Yoga, Kemetic Chi Dao, Kemetic Kung Fu, Kemetic Karate, Kemetic Vedas, Kemetic Buddhism, Kemetic Krishna Consciousness. The idea seems to be go into eurasia and attach Kemetic to the front of it. Another major issue is that I have yet to meet a practitioner of these arts who reads Mdw Ntr yet those who say that they speak it by and large follow the arbitrary eureurasiaan convention of putting the letter "e" anywhere where they were uncertain what the actual vowel was. It seems that people flock behind a leader who follows budge. A good way to find out is to find out how the words were spoken by seeing how they are spoken today by contemporary Kmtyws throughout the continent as these are the exact same Kmtyws who were in Kmt back in the day.

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[Kamau Kambon]

From what I read, or maybe I missed it, this question was not adequately answered. I think the question should be rephrased to: COMPARED TO TOTAL BLACK LIBERATION FROM UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL CESSPOOL SYSTEM OF white DOMINATION BY TERROR, is Kemetic Spirituality viable?(or capable of SOLVING THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH white people ONCE AND FOR ALL). In other words, can Kemetic Spirituality stop white people from killing Black people, in ALL AREAS OF BEING, and, simultaneously, can Kemetic Spirituality stop Black people from killing themselves through the various forms of Subtle Suicide? Further, what consistent historical evidence can we point to to substantiate that Kemetic Spirituality (masonry, voting, making money, etc.) has a track record of stopping the white dominators from killing us and stopping us from killing ourselves in all the various areas of BEING?
This analysis should be asked of The Black masons, every religion we find ourselves in, and......

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

Kamau_Kambon wrote:
  From what I read, or maybe I missed it, this question was not adequately answered. I think the question should be rephrased to: COMPARED TO TOTAL BLACK LIBERATION FROM UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL CESSPOOL SYSTEM OF white DOMINATION BY TERROR, is Kemetic Spirituality viable?(or capable of SOLVING THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH white people ONCE AND FOR ALL). In other words, can Kemetic Spirituality stop white people from killing Black people, in ALL AREAS OF BEING, and, simultaneously, can Kemetic Spirituality stop Black people from killing themselves through the various forms of Subtle Suicide? Further, what consistent historical evidence can we point to to substantiate that Kemetic Spirituality (masonry, voting, making money, etc.) has a track record of stopping the white dominators from killing us and stopping us from killing ourselves in all the various areas of BEING?
This analysis should be asked of The Black masons, every religion we find ourselves in, and......

This is a profound reminder of what we should always keep at the forefront of our thoughts and discussions. Meda ase!

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[Kamau Kambon]

It's really too sad that we have to take up valuable time and energy to deal with all these side-bar topics-instead of using our time, energy, RESOURCES AND BRAINS to SOLVE THE PROBLEM-ONCE AND FOR ALL!!
 The only real issue to be discussed, and solved, is how do Kmtyws/Blacks-always capitalize "Black", even in the middle of a sentence, as a sign of self respect, get LIBERATED? If you were to go back and look at the old movies that showed us as Enslaved Kmtyws-Roots, Miss Jane Pittman, etc- the GRAND THEME IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS "FREEDOM"!! "FREEDOM"! "FREEDOM" So how have we shifted or been slicked into discussing other topics that are UNDER THE TOPIC OF "FREEDOM"?
 Many of the issues that bog us down in psychological paralysis ought to be dealt with ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SOLUTION! Once we solve THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY DEAL WITH EVERY OTHER ISSUE-which are really non-issues. By way of example, I have attended the International Kmtyw Street Festival just about every year, for over 30 years. and one of the over-arching and crystal clear things I have noticed is that, in over 30 years, I have seen only ONE incident. The incident was that a Brother was high and the guards had to escort him out. So in a place where there are 50-to 100, 000 Kmtyws- FOR 4 TO 7 DAYS-Brothers and Sisters from all cultures-no one ever has/had any beef with anyone else. This proves that when the enemy is absent, we have NO PROBLEMS WITH WHAT OTHER KmtywS BELIEVE OR PRACTICE. But as soon as we step back into the white world, we have problems with each other. so let's FOCUS on the real solution, FIRST!

[GoddessofLight]

The answer to the question within the context of our Liberation is YES...as long as we maintain our tradition of invoking our Orisa, Loa, Obosum, etc in our struggle.  This has been our custom since and beyond Kmt.  We have to get past treating and thinking of the Ntr in the context that the eureurasiaan has fed us. The are Kmtyw DIETIES..STILL EXISTING IN AN Kmtyw CULTURE...WE ONLY NEED INVOKE THEM TO USE THEM...IN OUR Kmtyw CONTEXT, not in the watered down, warped Eurocentric context that we have been fed. There is plenty of recorded history about the Kmt Ntr that read exactly the same as stories we have been told of traditonal West Kmtyw dieties and how they interact and assist people and the nation in their every day lives..we just don't pay attention or worse yet don't make the connections... All of the Kmt Sutan (erroneously called Pharoh) invoked their dieties and ancestors when ever they went into battle. The carried them with them...the traditon of war medicine, and sumans (Ghana) is strong.  Ogun and his role throughout West Kmt wars and warrior traditions...and on this side of the water, most notably Haiti and among the Maroons in Jamaica needs no explanation.  The solution then is when we invoke, make sacrifice to, ask for assistance from is to always include our liberation in these rituals...that way the dieties and the ancestors know what we need and require of them....Our freedom, we need to speak in proverbs and incantation of our situation here whenever we are in prayer invocation and ritual with them.  When ever we achieve a step in our objective we need to go back in ritual, inform them and invoke them for the next step we are taking.  These are not my ideas, this has always been our traditon...we just don't do it any more on a mass scale any more...All priest should be invoking the diety in this task...

[KhepraEvolutionary]

It is viable as long as ithere is a level of sincere integrity that is maintained with gaining/regaining OUR liberation.
You have many people speak about ancestors but dismiss what OUR ancestors have left as written records for US to use now.
If you have not learned to read and write what the ancestors have left for US but choose to use a cut and paste type method of connecting the bastardized eureurasiaan, eurasian, kwk offshoots then it lacks the integrity need for OUR liberation to be fruitful.
What some do in regards to Kemetic Spirituality is analogous to someone saying that they will ignoe the letters, books, and material their great grandmother left  to use and saying that you would prefer to chant, meditate, channel and referring to how other people interpreted what their great grandmother said.
If WE truly want to deal with Kemetic spirituality with integrity, then translation and transliteration is the best way.
PERIOD!!!

[GoddessofLight]

KhepraEvolutionary;29448 wrote: It is viable as long as ithere is a level of sincere integrity that is maintained with gaining/regaining OUR liberation.
You have many people speak about ancestors but dismiss what OUR ancestors have left as written records for US to use now.
If you have not learned to read and write what the ancestors have left for US but choose to use a cut and paste type method of connecting the bastardized eureurasiaan, eurasian, kwk offshoots then it lacks the integrity need for OUR liberation to be fruitful.
What some do in regards to Kemetic Spirituality is analogous to someone saying that they will ignoe the letters, books, and material their great grandmother left to use and saying that you would prefer to chant, meditate, channel and referring to how other people interpreted what their great grandmother said.
If WE truly want to deal with Kemetic spirituality with integrity, then translation and transliteration is the best way.
PERIOD!!!

I agree with much of what you say, however (and respectfully) Kmtyw spiritual traditions teach us that we must pay attention to the communication of the ancestors and dieties with us. Translation and transliteration can only take us so far, we must have a close and impecable relationship with these ancestors and dieties so we can understand and implement what they are telling us to do.  All of our faculties must be used and an integrated force in achieving our goals. Spirit must always guide us as our tradition dictates...

[KhepraEvolutionary]

Allow me to explain.
When I wrote that, I had recently had a "discussion" with someone regarding the same subject so that is why it comes off as forceful as it did without my entire perspective.
If my great great grandmother left me volumes of books, notes and literature that she wrote and left behind, why would I refuse to read what she specifically left for me to read and follow.
Why would I not use all the faculties available to connect with my great great grandmother who is now an ancestore???
I believe there is a sever neglect in not using what was left for US.
I agree translation and transliteration can go so far.
However, I have had many discussions with folks regarding the NTRU and find that WE were quite "different" in understanding.

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