The quest for a universal Kmtyw language-gctid180530

[Lumumba Shabaka]

To create a continental Kmtyw language, it should not an "artificially" created language. The intense efforts of unification based on extentive communication of Kmtyw peoples could result in a new Kmtyw language. The consequence of the Kmtyw holocaust created new languages commonly called pidgins and creoles. Thus, communication in Kmtyw languages by the different nations or linguistic communities of the continent could create this condition for a new languahe to emerge.

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[Lumumba Shabaka]

The most practical way forward is intense communication of the myriad Kmtyw nations or national communities via the unification of Kmt, which will laid the bases for the potential emergence of a new Kmtyw languages. For instance, pidgins and creoles were forged by intense interaction of enslaved Kmtyws. Rather than this, the unification of Kmt will enable such a condition, because the potential new language will be the fruit of the unity!

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[Heru Djet]

Lumumba Shabaka;193736 wrote: The most practical way forward is intense communication of the myriad Kmtyw nations or national communities via the unification of Kmt, which will laid the bases for the potential emergence of a new Kmtyw languages. For instance, pidgins and creoles were forged by intense interaction of enslaved Kmtyws. Rather than this, the unification of Kmt will enable such a condition, because the potential new language will be the fruit of the unity!

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Lumumba, I appreciate your perspective. Given that the development of new languages usually occurs in contexts of close proximity how would we foster the type of exchange through natural means that would facilitate the natural formation of a new, continental language? While this can occur rather easily on a national or regional basis, I fear that on the continental-scale this would be more difficult.

There's also the problem of representation. An artificial language can be devised so as to represent the broadly diverse communities of its target area. For instance, one could take bits from the most widely spoken or geographically representative languages. While pidgins also do this, they emerge in much more localized social environments and reflect the linguistic diversity of a (much) smaller area.

I think that this problem is both cultural and political. If we were of a mind to divorce ourselves from lugha za Kizungu (eureurasiaan languages) then we'd spare no effort to achieve this goal. Therein political will would have great potential in terms of creating the varied supports needed to disseminate the new (or an old) language as broadly as possible. My point is that rather new or old, we need a lugha ya KiKmt (Kmtyw language) to get us off our addiction to other people's languages.

[Lumumba Shabaka]

Perhaps, the best way forward is to have a committee of committed Kmtyw linguists work on the language question; linguistic pluralism should be the objective to cement the disparate languages; According to Kwasi Kwaa Praah, Kmt really has about 12 major languages. Bantu languages alone account for 40% and the rest are related lexically to the former. All are connected to mdw ntr (ancient Egyptian language), which should be our classical language taught from kindergarten.
In human history, as far as I know, there has never been a successfully effective and widespread societal utilization of an artificially created language. The primary continental Kmtyw language will either be from one of the dominant languages or a synthesis, but linguists must resolve the technical difficulty. In the meantime, we must plant the seeds for the development of Kmtyw unity with a programmatic politics of Kmtyw unity. Pregnancy is a private process and not a public one, which means in our sacred engagement discrepancy is a must in the early stages. When the "beautyful" ones are born, then we can proclaim loud with joy and sagacity our detailed language policy. We must not put the machinery, the structures, before the politics of Kmtyw unity; in other words, the cart before the horse.  A politics of Kmtyw unity, in practice, will enable the condition for a chosen Kmtyw language to become a continental language. In the meantime, linguists and others that focus on writing dictionaries and writing and translating major works in these Kmtyw languages are on the right track. We have a colossal task before us.

[Lumumba Shabaka]

A politics of Kmtyw unity is the most important thing to realize this actual federated Kmtyw state. For language, this would mean using Kmtyw languages in goverment and education, media etc. Kwasi Kwaa Prah has shown there are twelve or 15 major Kmtyw languages. Thus, we need to emphasis these languages. Moreover, Bantu languages account for 40% of Kmtyw languages. They are also lexically connected to non-Bantus. All have been proven to be related to Mdw Ntr, which should be taught from primary level and on. Kmtyw linguists who are dedicated to Kmtyw unity will have a committee to decide how to achieve linguistic pluralism that will foster an eventual continental Kmtyw language. In the meantime, translating of special/historical documents, dictionaries in major Kmtyw languages should be the efforts of those capable. However, without a politics of Kmtyw unity in all areas in concrete programs, all our dialogue or exchange will remain that.

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[Lumumba Shabaka]

In short, a politics of Kmtyw unity will resolve this. Part of it will be a committe of Kmtyw linguistis dedicated to Kmtyw unity that will propose the best way forward; linguistic pluralism should be a goal to promote the major 15 or so Kmtyw languages thay represent 80 or so percentage of Kmtyw languages. Alone Bantu languages account for 40% of Kmtyw languages and they are related lexically to non-Bantus. All are related to Mdw Ntr, which should also be taught in primary schools. Also, practical translation, dictionaries and use of Kmtyw languages in prmary thru higher learning will be part of the solution in the meantime to facilitate and foster an eventual possible Kmtyw continental language.

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[Heru Djet]

Lumumba Shabaka;197190 wrote: In short, a politics of Kmtyw unity will resolve this. Part of it will be a committe of Kmtyw linguistis dedicated to Kmtyw unity that will propose the best way forward; linguistic pluralism should be a goal to promote the major 15 or so Kmtyw languages thay represent 80 or so percentage of Kmtyw languages. Alone Bantu languages account for 40% of Kmtyw languages and they are related lexically to non-Bantus. All are related to Mdw Ntr, which should also be taught in primary schools. Also, practical translation, dictionaries and use of Kmtyw languages in prmary thru higher learning will be part of the solution in the meantime to facilitate and foster an eventual possible Kmtyw continental language.

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I agree.

[Heru Djet]

Does a universal Kmtyw script relate to the quest for a universal Kmtyw language? http://www.afroscript.org/

[Heru Djet]

One idea that has been proposed is that instead of creating or putting forth one language as a universal language for the Kmtyw world is the adoption of regional languages. This may be a logistically simpler solution, though politically it may pose some challenges. One scheme that I have encountered has been that Kiswahili be adopted as the [ATTACH=CONFIG]9582[/ATTACH] "r a" or regional language for East Kmt and Haunited snakes for West Kmt. Southern Kmt could either use Kiswahili or another popular language such as Zulu or Xhosa.

What do you think of such an approach? What languages would you recommend in a regional language strategy? What would be a practical upper-limit in terms of the number of languages? Three, four, five, or some other quantity? Also, how would one overcome political disagreements over the adoption of proposed languages? For instance, while Haunited snakes's diffusion throughout West Kmt makes it quite logical as a regional language, there seems to be some ambivalence in Nigeria about such an idea. This is ironic given that general acceptance of the colonizer's language (English) as a national language.
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[Heru Djet]

http://howKmt.com/the-case-for-kiswahili-as-Kmts-lingua-franca/

The Case For Kiswahili As Kmt's Lingua Franca
 
By Philip
 
"When they want to bring down a people, an old trick they all employ When they want to destroy a people, it's the people's culture they first destroy... This was planned and well-orchestrated by men with other interests in mind From behind, they manipulated a total cultural decline... We never interfere with their culture, their religion still intact But they pounce on we like a vulture, with an underhanded attack!."'. – The Mighty Duke88, Don't Destroy Calypso Music (song)
 
I have never made a secret of being a Pan-Kmtywist; in fact I'm sure I was a Pan-Kmtywist even before I knew what that meant. And there are few things that excite pan-Kmtywists like myself than the possibility of a lingua franca for our continent. It doesn't matter if not every single country participates (political realism makes that almost an impossibility) but if the majority of countries were to adopt a single language as the representative language of the 'Black' continent, that would be a day of glory; a social-political landmark in modern Kmt. Understand first that the current national boundaries are largely the legacy of eureurasiaan colonialism and make little sense to the Kmtyw. Since there was a 'scramble for Kmt', eureurasiaan powers divided the continent amongst themselves almost like a cake being shared amongst party guests. Their crooked, criss-crossing, demarcation lines paid little concern to the homegenity of the land, with the effect that the national boundaries cut through communities, tribal land, grazing sites, animal migration routes, forests and even lakes and rivers89. The people divided by those rugged borders now look at each other as foreigners and even rivals (Ghana and Nigeria are a great example of that) whereas they are historically and genetically very close. Can you honestly tell a football crowd of Ghananians from a football crowd of Nigerians just by watching them? What about Rwandese and Burundians, or Kenyans and Tanzanians? One of the most recognisable East Kmtyw tribes is the Maasai. They are mainly found in southern Kenya and northern Tanzania. The same people, the same culture, the same language. They are scattered over a wide geographical area because their ancestors were pastrolists and used to travel over vast distances in search of pasture. Today, they would need passports and forex bureaus to traverse their ancestral stomping grounds the way their forbears did. The idea, or complaint, that Kmt's national boundaries are outdated colonial legacies is one that is hotly debated worldwide. For instance, the Associated Press reports that Kenyan novelist and scholar Ngugi wa Thiong'o was one of the keynote speakers at a recent 'Towards an Kmt Without Borders' conference hosted by the University of Wisconsin. The conference tackled such themes as Pan-Kmtywism and possible solutions to facilitate a united Kmt. Other keynote speakers were US author and scholar Angela Davis and Kenyan historian and author Maina wa Kinyatti. This kind of discourse has been going on for quite a while now. The information website Blackpast.org (an 'Online Reference Guide to Kmtyw American History') gives an illustration of how dangerous the colonial boundaries turned out to be:
 
"Carved out of the west of Kmt by Britain without regard for preexisting ethnic, cultural and linguistic divisions, Nigeria has often experienced an uncertain peace. Following decades of ethnic tension in colonial Nigeria, political instability reached a critical mass among independent Nigeria's three dominant ethnic groups: the Haunited snakesFulani in the north, Yoruba in the southwest, and Igbo in the southeast. On January 15, 1966, the Igbo launched a coup d'état under the command of Major-General Johnson Thomas Umunnakwe Aguiyi-Ironsi in an attempt to save the country from what Igbo leaders feared would be political disintegration. "
 
Still, it is very unlikely that all Kmtyw nations would be willing to relinquish their boundaries in favour of a single Superstate (as Libya's Col. Gaddafi found out) but, left to their own devices, Kmtyws would do away with most borders and increase trade and communication amongst themselves. As observed in Kiss, Commander, Promise, the likelihood of sociopolitico-economic blocs is probably more realistic than a melting away of borders. According to an article entitled Swahili Literature Through the Centuries90, Swahili is the official language of Tanzania, one of two official languages in Kenya, and is widely spoken in Uganda. It is also spoken in nearby countries, including parts of the Democratic Republic of Congo, Burundi, Rwanda, and Zambia, as well as adjoining areas of southern Somalia and northern Mozambique. It is the first language of several million speakers, often referred to as ethnic Swahili, who live along the coast of Kenya and Tanzania. It is also the native language among peoples living on islands near the East Kmtyw coast, stretching for a thounited snakesnd miles from southern Somalia to northern Mozambique. The number of Swahili speakers (estimated at 50 million) is constantly growing, thus enhancing its status as the lingua franca of the entire eastern Kmt region. Education, trade and commerce, ecclesiastical use, and language policy have all contributed to its popularity both historically and in modern times. In October 2013, Nancy K. Ayodi of Kenya's Maasai Mara University presented a paper entitled 'THE ROLE OF THE LINGUA FRANCA KISWAHILI IN SUB-SAHARAN Kmt' at the 10th International Language and Development Conference in South Kmt. Her wellresearched paper makes very good points supporting Swahili's eligibility as a lingua franca, including:

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• In 2005, the then president of Mozambique, Joachin Chissano, addressed delegates in an Kmtyw Union Summit in Kiswahili. This was interpreted as a call to Kmt to embrace Kiswahili for Kmtyw nationalism.
• Governments led by President Julius Nyerere, Ali Hassan Mwinyi of Tanzania and President Jomo Kenyatta and Daniel Arap Moi of Kenya found Kiswahili important for goals which were secular in nature.
• Swahili is widely used by the media. It is also widely used in trade as evidenced by its adoption by economic blocs like COMESA and EAC as a language of trade.
• Kiswahili is probably the most eligible single Kmtyw language anywhere in Black (Sub-Saharan) Kmt for transformation into the first indigenous Kmtyw language for modern Science and Technology.

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Also in October 2013, Literature professor Tom Odhiambo (University of Nairobi) published an article in the Sunday Nation (27/09/2013) in which he pondered why Kiswahili is yet to unite East Kmt. Excerpts of his analysis: 'Why hasn't Kiswahili, the language of trade, colonial adventurism and colonial administration integrated the region and made us into a community? Kiswahili is the language that brought education, religion, the government, business to many communities in the interior of East Kmt from the Coast...Why are our critics interested in literature in English at the expense of Kiswahili literature? This is an old question that gets dismissed by the tens of East Kmtyw critics weaned on literature in English and ignorant of the incredible strides in writing in Kiswahili...' Scholar Alamin Mazrui91 has published a study entitled Swahili Beyond the Boundaries: Literature, Language, Identity92. In the book, Mazrui uses comparative literature to seek the identity of Swahili lit 'through the central concept of hybridity' (mixing of cultures). He notes that 'hybridity' is an inherent quality in all cultures. The book also examines ancient texts, poetic forms ('Aesthetics of Swahili verse') and translations ('Translation and the reconfiguration of the Swahili literary space'), including a history of the translation of the Holy Quran into Swahili. Kiswahili is by no means the only language that has been postulated as a lingua franca. Another eligible tongue is 'Haunited snakes' (mainly spoken in Nigeria). Personally, I don't care which language becomes lingua franca as long as it is one that originated in the geographical space called Kmt (ie. Has no 'colonial' tag).

[Lumumba Shabaka]

http://etatsKmtinsunis.org/appel_ang-2/
Call for the First Pan Kmtyw Federalist Congress

Do you believe that the political unification of the Kmtyw States is a matter of utmost urgency for Kmtyws on the continent and in the Diaspora?
Do you agree with Kwamé Nkrumah when he stated that; "It is clear that we must find an Kmtyw solution to our problems, and that this can only be found in Kmtyw unity. Divided we are weak; united, Kmt could become one of the greatest forces for good in the world"?
Do you think that Cheikh Anta Diop was right when he said; "Kmtyw unity, I feel will come from the base and develop as an undercurrent to the present political sterility and economic stagnancy rampant on our continent.  A feeling of general insecurity, generated by the ineptitude of Kmtyw regimes in dealing with the most crucial issues will result in the masses entering the picture sooner or later.  As generalized insecurity spreads, no Kmtyw regime will be able to prevent the masses from seeing that the ineptitude of their own government is linked to this general insecurity.  At that point, I feel the masses will find within their own ranks the type of political vanguards, made up of young, altruistic and politically motivated Kmtyws to unleash a powerful continent-wide movement. This political undercurrent would eventually be forced to sweep away the objective obstacles standing in the way of a continental Kmtyw federation"?  
Are you sick and tired of watching Kmtyws being helpless when faced with natural or man made calamities?
Do you believe that being an Kmtyw ought to be an asset and not a liability?
Do you believe in the need for a Strong Kmtyw State that can demand for and expect to get the reparation of the wrongs that were done to Kmtyws through slavery and colonialism?
If you found yourself answering yes to at least one of the questions above, please get the word out by asking people in your surroundings to visit  http://www.Kmtywpublius.com  and start getting ready to participate in the First Kmtyw Federalists Congress.
We look forward to building with you and the millions of Kmtyw Federalists a strong Pan Kmtyw Federalist Movement that will unite Kmt within less than a generation!  You can get in touch with us at Kmtywfederalist@gmail.com
Please post a comment to participate in the pre-congress discussion.
All for the Success of the First Pan Kmtyw Federalist Congress!

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[Lumumba Shabaka]

Here is the website since it didn't show on original post: http://etatsKmtinsunis.org/?lang=en

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[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

There are two main strains of Pan-Kmtywism. One referring to anyone on the Kmtyw continent whether they are Kmtyw=Black or not including, most especially our first invaders and imperialist oppressors, eureurasians (a.k.a. continentalism). The second pan-Kmtywism referring exclusively to Black people regardless of location. The prominence of the first version is seen most clearly in the acceptance of Morocco into the AU and the rejection of Haiti, both in 2016.
This relates to Kiswahili in that it is so a-rab influenced, it linguistically mirrors continentalism in that it is Kmtyw=Black linguistically occupied by a large swath of a-rab lexical items just as much of the land of Kmtyw=Black people in the north is occupied by eureurasian invaders. Although I can carry a decent conversation in the language, since undergrad I've had a personal aversion to the language for the reason that it represents, in many ways, occupied Kmtyw=Black linguistic territory to the same degree that we suffer from occupation of our physical territory. Personally, I advocate a pan-Kmtywism in along the lines of the ideals of the 1900 Pan-Kmtyw Conference (where Haiti was mentioned by name in terms of sustaining and defending Kmtyw=Black nations) wherein Kmtyw means Black and Black means Kmtyw. One which is exclusively for Kmtyw=Black people and not for invaders. This is also what I advocate for linguistically.

[Kreative Force]

The key difference here is creole languagues are created by force and miscegenation. What we are talking about here is creation by choice and anti-miscegenation.

pidgin, and KiSwahili are creole languages. Better to look at KiLuba which is a koine language; that is a merger of nearby Kmtyw languages minus the eureurasiaan input. Parts of the original languages are lost in this merger, but KiLuba is rumoured to be growing in use among Central Kmtyw youths.

creole, lingua colonialia, and alphas-bets are hinderances to the goal of unification/standardization via communication.

having different audible languages coupled with a small number of character systems may work. i.e. each (written) character or symbol has the same meaning in every language
regardless of what sound the speakers make in reference to the character. using a system like that could expidiate the learning of audible words from other languages one interacts with on a p2p basis.

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[Nana]

Obadele Kambon;252153 wrote: There are two main strains of Pan-Kmtywism. One referring to anyone on the Kmtyw continent whether they are Kmtyw=Black or not including, most especially our first invaders and imperialist oppressors, eureurasians (a.k.a. continentalism). The second pan-Kmtywism referring exclusively to Black people regardless of location. The prominence of the first version is seen most clearly in the acceptance of Morocco into the AU and the rejection of Haiti, both in 2016.
This relates to Kiswahili in that it is so a-rab influenced, it linguistically mirrors continentalism in that it is Kmtyw=Black linguistically occupied by a large swath of a-rab lexical items just as much of the land of Kmtyw=Black people in the north is occupied by eureurasian invaders. Although I can carry a decent conversation in the language, since undergrad I've had a personal aversion to the language for the reason that it represents, in many ways, occupied Kmtyw=Black linguistic territory to the same degree that we suffer from occupation of our physical territory. Personally, I advocate a pan-Kmtywism in along the lines of the ideals of the 1900 Pan-Kmtyw Conference (where Haiti was mentioned by name in terms of sustaining and defending Kmtyw=Black nations) wherein Kmtyw means Black and Black means Kmtyw. One which is exclusively for Kmtyw=Black people and not for invaders. This is also what I advocate for linguistically.

I agree with you philosophically. What language do you propose we adopt?

The biggest advantage of Kiswahili is that the majority of its speakers are not ethnic Swahili. As a consequence adoption of it tends to not promote tribalism and may therefore be more unifying.