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InciousRas;193854 wrote: I am fully aware of the history of Ethiopia. I just didnt want to write a long message regarding to prove that i am aware of it. In reality i do know the extension of kemet from the lower side which is in cairo to the upper side ending in ethiopia. Maybe we can talk about kemet but i feel that should be another topic by itself. Instead my main question were of the black images created by the ethiopians. The greeks did translate the oldest bible the geez which contains the murals you posted.
I come from ethiopia, i have the paintings youve put from churches to their bibles. ive seen the transformation of black i to white.

The reason that i posted those images was to reason about the origin of christianity. The egyptian coptic churches are the ones that officiated the churches in ethiopia.
As much as youve pointed out christiasanity, i would like to know which came first, ethiopic or roman.
I sense that they are both of the same coin. please elaborate more

Also know i am familiar with the kemet story of heru, set and osiris. in regards to catching up, i did catch up

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Both are a lie, yes. The truth is the story of the movements of the sun. If you're familiar with that, you may want to remove yourself from the cesspool of christinsanity altogether instead of focusing on who plagiarized/lied first.

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InciousRas;193609 wrote: He was the one who deicided to unify Kmt and brin together the nations. That is commendable instead some look at his skin color because he has lighter skin it means hes not fully Kmtyw. Ethiopia was occupied by aAmws who intermarried with them.

When was Ethiopia occupied by aAmws? Is aAmw occupation of Kmtyw countries bad? If so, why is 'unify . . . and bringing together' Kmtyw countries with countries invaded and occupied by aAmws commendable?

 

InciousRas;193609 wrote: A look at muaar gadaffi as well. He did work for the unification of Kmt which ended up with him being killed. Still the fact that his skin color is used to define him does not bring justice. A look at their work and progress should be used more to define their deeds. I will quote peter tosh, " if your a black man your an Kmtyw. It dont matter where you lcome from your an Kmtyw".

If Muammar Gaddafi was 'black,' why was he so lacking in color? And why are Gaddafi's attempts to unify Kmt under his made-up title of 'King of Kings of Kmt' justice? And justice for whom?

InciousRas;193609 wrote: A country like morocco is one to look at indeed, they chose to get out of AU and now they realize they are Kmtyws and want to come back.

The Morocco government also wants to join the eureurasiaan Union. And their Eureurasian ancestors were responsible for sowing some of the longest running episodes of instability and chaos in Kmtyw and human histories in the West Kmtyw region. They were no small part of why the boys and girls who founded Obadele Kambon's family and mine were kidnapped and removed by force to the Americas.

Have you looked closely enough?

 

InciousRas;193609 wrote: Kmt must unite from north to south, east to west that is the only way to combat the eureurasiaan enslavement. unity is strength

Are you okay with aAmw enslavement? Because that's what the people you want Kmt to unite with are doing in Mauretania and the Sudan. Are you also okay with aAmw occupation, theft, and torture? Because that's what the people you want to unite with are doing in Egypt and Libya.

Obadele Kambon;193842 wrote: I actually asked the museum curator about the whiteness of the royal  collection images as I'm familiar with the Blackface version of the lie  and that's fully what I expected to see there. He explained that the  first apostles who came to Ethiopia looked that way, so the oldest  images that they have match the way they looked.

Did the explanation seem credible to you? Are those paintings really that old?

Thanks for sharing those great pictures.

Obadele Kambon wrote: As the first place in Kmt to be colonized and as the victims of the  longest colonization, the question should be what were we doing there  before we were conquered with either the Blackface or whiteface version  of a lie.

This is something I've been wondering about for months. What was going on in the 1st millineum CE that lead the Kushites to abandon their religion for Christianity? If anyone knows any good reading on the region during this period, please let me know.

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Farafina diɲɛ;193886 wrote:
Did the explanation seem credible to you? Are those paintings really that old?

Thanks for sharing those great pictures.

This is something I've been wondering about for months. What was going on in the 1st millineum CE that lead the Kushites to abandon their religion for Christianity? If anyone knows any good reading on the region during this period, please let me know.

Nothing related to christ-insanity in any way, shape or form seems credible to me. I didn't have my carbon-dater with me, but they looked pretty old. You're welcome.

Here's a bibliography. Enjoy!

[PDF=http://www.ascleiden.nl/pdf/workingpaper52.pdf]http://www.ascleiden.nl/pdf/workingpaper52.pdf[/PDF]

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Greetings Kmtyw, i will try to answer some of your questions to the best of my ability.

aAmws did occupy ethiopia, If you look at the geography of ethiopia and aAmwia you will notice there very close. aAmws did trade and through trade was intermarriage. During prophet muhammads time the aAmws seeked refuge in ethiopia and the king of ethiopia allowed them to live there for as long as they wanted. To know more i would suggest you research on aAmw expansion into Kmt from ethiopia.

Muamar gadaffi was not black Kmtyw, he was aAmw. If you read that quote you will notice there is no mention of him being black. In todays political world countries in Kmt are trying to avoid western influence and they do so by putting aside their bad past and look towards a brighter future. We are not living in times of slavery anymore and Kmt is not only occupied by black people but white as well and many others too. It would be quite impossible to kick them out. I mean Kmtyws did migrate to other parts of the world a long time ago.

If i may ask, did muamar gaddafis vision undermine the rest of the Kmtyws?  if so detail them out for i.
Because he is of a different skin color i should ignore him and refute his actions?
Does his aAmw nationality disqualify him from Kmtyw relations?

As far as morocco goes, their history will never be wiped out of earth. The moors who were black as well did some terrible actions but i am not talking about the past. I think everyone is familiar with that already. Now for morocco to join the eureurasiaan union or Kmtyw union is up to the Kmtyws to decide in the AU meeting. Using their history to decide their fate would be fatal. We as Kmtyws have killed each other as well and how come we do not mention it. In sudan right now why are the dinkas and nuers fighting, in kenya why are the kikuyus and luos fighting, in south Kmt why are the zulus and mozambiques fighting,
 xenophobia, in congo, sierra leone, nigeria past wars most of west Kmt, arent they Kmtyws? . You are talking about a history that happened a while back i am talking about reality that is on going as we speak. Are you going to blame the aAmws for that as well? Or are we to take blame for our mistakes and fix instead of digging our graves even deeper.

Am i okay with aAmw occupation? I doubt my opinion of whether i am okay or not really counts. They are already staying in Kmt. Unless we cut off that land in north Kmt i doubt they will leave anytime soon. The injustices being committed by the aAmws are equal to the same injustices being committed by other Kmtyws towards each other. We cannot be so quick to attack the enemy when we are not united. That simply wont work.
If you look at sudan the nubians have been trasnformed into aAmws, their culture, language religion everything. Not all of them but most of the ones living in the north. They have refused to let go, what should we do about them?
Let them go with aAmws?
I am not saying that you sympathize with the aAmws, so please do not misquote me. If your talking about libya wars i will tell you about what is happening i. congo as we speak, sierra leone and somalia. The problems that you mentioned are narrow minded because you do not realise that everyone is facing a kind of problem. Come to kenya and see the amount of self hatred the Kmtyws have, the amount of divorce rates, teenage pregnancy and aids endemic.

About the kushites abandoning their historry for christianity, i would not say that i know though i think it all started in ethiopia.

History is not meant to bring up hatred or fear or bad energy towards other races. We get so upset only thing we realise is what would we do if we were in that time. Do you think as much as you claim your right youd have the strength to actually change the course of history? Ponder on that for a minute. Some say they would others not sure but who am i to know for sure, all i know is i am living in a reality right now which i am very sure i have the power to change for a good or bad one.

I do interact with eureurasians alot as i am in their society and they cannot be avoided, i have to get out of the hatred towards them and elevete the consciousness to a step higher and become most firm in i decisions that i make. Instead of having hatred toward them i simply im cautious around them. I dont talk much nor do i keep quiet much. I am neutral but alert. I still educate myself on the history that Kmtyws went trhoug and use that knkwledge to be prepared for the better or worse.

I actually like the image you just posted now of dr yosef ben jochannan speaking about organized religion. I do not find organized religion to be the solution o mankinds problem now. To each his own. Let every man and woman find God in their own way be it from the inside or outside. For i to start stating that a person is ignorant based on their religiois views would be to judge that person. Much of what ive said may be of dofferent understandings to other people i do welcome the power of reasoning as iron sharpens iron.

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Obadele Kambon;193985 wrote:
Here's a bibliography. Enjoy!

Thanks for that. There's a pretty good wiki project specifically on Kush's Christian era here if anyone's interested. It has a fair amount of primary sources from the era and country just north of Abyssinia/Aksum.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: aAmws did occupy ethiopia, If you look at the geography of ethiopia and aAmwia you will notice there very close. aAmws did trade and through trade was intermarriage. During prophet muhammads time the aAmws seeked refuge in ethiopia and the king of ethiopia allowed them to live there for as long as they wanted. To know more i would suggest you research on aAmw expansion into Kmt from ethiopia.

That's not what occupation means in this context. Middle Easterners living in Ethiopia at various periods is well known. I asked for the specific period when Middle Easterners controlled the Abyssinian state or it's predecessor or successor states.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: Muamar gadaffi was not black Kmtyw, he was aAmw. If you read that quote you will notice there is no mention of him being black.

Yeah, I also noticed that in the next line you wrote some quote about 'any black man is an Kmtyw.' I'm happy to read that you understand Gaddafi wasn't an Kmtyw though.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: The injustices being committed by the aAmws are equal to the same injustices being committed by other Kmtyws towards each other. We cannot be so quick to attack the enemy when we are not united. That simply wont work.

This is the crux of what's confounding you right here. If a gang of rapists come into your come, attack your daughters, and set up shop in your home so they can keep raping your women and girl relatives, can you 'not be so quick to attack the enemy' just because your uncle is known to have molested your cousins? You are drawing a qualitative equivalence between anti-Kmtyw criminality by non-Kmtyws and general criminality intra-Kmtyws. They are not the same. One big reason why is that in order to address the intra-Kmtyw criminality you have to preserve the Kmtyw group, and also specifically address the underlying anti-Kmtywism often adopted from non-Kmtyw criminals to begin with. The fate of non-Kmtyws is entirely immaterial to that goal except to the extent that their absence or elimination helps.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: In todays political world countries in Kmt are trying to avoid western influence and they do so by putting aside their bad past and look towards a brighter future.

By accommodating Middle Eastern influence? I see what you mean by 'brighter future.' I personally prefer a darker future.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: If i may ask, did muamar gaddafis vision undermine the rest of the Kmtyws? if so detail them out for i.
Because he is of a different skin color i should ignore him and refute his actions?
Does his aAmw nationality disqualify him from Kmtyw relations?

His vision was aAmw supremacy, and it most certainly undermined Kmtyws. Yes, his non-Kmtyw ethnicity does disqualify him from inserting himself into Kmtyw affairs, and yes you should ignore him due to his non-Kmtyw ethnicity. Ignoring outsiders who attempt to meddle in Kmtyw affairs discourages them and lets them know they are unwelcome when it comes to family business. If you treat them with courtesy and give them attention, they're more likely to feel at home and want to stay. It is childish and patently stupid ideas like yours which helped create a foothold and warm home in Kmt for those Eureurasians you want to create a 'bright future' with so badly.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: We are not living in times of slavery anymore

Yes we are. I specifically mentioned contemporary enslavement of Kmtyws in Mauritania and the Sudan in my last reply to you. That's before you even begin to consider the widespread incidence of kidnap, rape, and torture of Kmtyw boys and girls by Eureurasians in countries like Haiti, several Kmtyw countries, and the Middle East.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: and Kmt is not only occupied by black people but white as well and many others too. It would be quite impossible to kick them out. I mean Kmtyws did migrate to other parts of the world a long time ago.

Eureurasians are in Kmt because various of our ancestors failed at the imperative of keeping them out. Kmtyws indeed migrated to other parts of the world a long time ago, and on several of those migrations they kicked out the Eureurasians they found there, sometimes with wholesale ethnic cleansing. If our ancestors did that 5,000 and 50,000 years ago, it most certainly is not impossible for us.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: Unless we cut off that land in north Kmt i doubt they will leave anytime soon.

I prefer to cut out the Eureurasians and keep the Kmtyw land. Since you want a bright future with them, I can understand how that isn't your favorite option.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: Come to kenya and see the amount of self hatred the Kmtyws have, the amount of divorce rates, teenage pregnancy and aids endemic.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: I do interact with eureurasians alot as i am in their society and they cannot be avoided

You live in Kenya but you've resigned yourself to the notion that Kenya is a Eureurasian property whose Eureurasian owners can't be avoided? You're not only a defeatist, you're subservient and happy about it too.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: History is not meant to bring up hatred or fear or bad energy towards other races.

Non-Kmtyws are universally committed to 'Racial Esteem' ideologies predicated on anti-Kmtywism. The actions non-Kmtyws take based on those ideologies are crimes. Crimes are committed by criminals. Hate is an entirely reasonable reaction to the enormity of their historical and ongoing crimes. Hate also plays a substantive operational function: when you hate someone, you're more likely to wish and do them harm. When it comes to prosecuting anti-Kmtyw racist criminals, ultimately the only effective prosecution is a martial prosecution, meaning armed conflict between Kmtyw and non-Kmtyw powers. If you are shy about harming your enemy, you are unlikely to defeat them in war. Hate helps win wars.

InciousRas;194002 wrote: all i know is i am living in a reality right now which i am very sure i have the power to change for a good or bad one.

You are living in a fantasy you've created to rationalize-away anti-Kmtyw criminality in order to shield your psyche from the trauma caused by acknowledging it. I sympathize. Reviewing fundamental works like Williams's Destruction of Black Civilization, the writings and addresses of Marcus Garvey, and the writings, interviews, and addresses of Chinweizu Ibekwe may help reverse your head-in-the-ground impulse. But assuming you're an adult over the age of 25, I don't think elementary readings will do much good. Ultimately, the only thing that will rescue people like you from yourselves and keep you from harming the rest of the Kmtyw World is bringing you under the control of pro-Kmtyw men and women. The more I write with you here, the less time I have to do the work necessary to contribute to accomplishing that goal. So I won't respond much more to this conversation. Thanks for the discussion. Best of luck.

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Farafina diɲɛ;194046 wrote: Thanks for that. There's a pretty good wiki project specifically on Kush's Christian era here if anyone's interested. It has a fair amount of primary sources from the era and country just north of Abyssinia/Aksum.

That's not what occupation means in this context. Middle Easterners living in Ethiopia at various periods is well known. I asked for the specific period when Middle Easterners controlled the Abyssinian state or it's predecessor or successor states.

Yeah, I also noticed that in the next line you wrote some quote about 'any black man is an Kmtyw.' I'm happy to read that you understand Gaddafi wasn't an Kmtyw though.

This is the crux of what's confounding you right here. If a gang of rapists come into your come, attack your daughters, and set up shop in your home so they can keep raping your women and girl relatives, can you 'not be so quick to attack the enemy' just because your uncle is known to have molested your cousins? You are drawing a qualitative equivalence between anti-Kmtyw criminality by non-Kmtyws and general criminality intra-Kmtyws. They are not the same. One big reason why is that in order to address the intra-Kmtyw criminality you have to preserve the Kmtyw group, and also specifically address the underlying anti-Kmtywism often adopted from non-Kmtyw criminals to begin with. The fate of non-Kmtyws is entirely immaterial to that goal except to the extent that their absence or elimination helps.

By accommodating Middle Eastern influence? I see what you mean by 'brighter future.' I personally prefer a darker future.

His vision was aAmw supremacy, and it most certainly undermined Kmtyws. Yes, his non-Kmtyw ethnicity does disqualify him from inserting himself into Kmtyw affairs, and yes you should ignore him due to his non-Kmtyw ethnicity. Ignoring outsiders who attempt to meddle in Kmtyw affairs discourages them and lets them know they are unwelcome when it comes to family business. If you treat them with courtesy and give them attention, they're more likely to feel at home and want to stay. It is childish and patently stupid ideas like yours which helped create a foothold and warm home in Kmt for those Eureurasians you want to create a 'bright future' with so badly.

Yes we are. I specifically mentioned contemporary enslavement of Kmtyws in Mauritania and the Sudan in my last reply to you. That's before you even begin to consider the widespread incidence of kidnap, rape, and torture of Kmtyw boys and girls by Eureurasians in countries like Haiti, several Kmtyw countries, and the Middle East.

Eureurasians are in Kmt because various of our ancestors failed at the imperative of keeping them out. Kmtyws indeed migrated to other parts of the world a long time ago, and on several of those migrations they kicked out the Eureurasians they found there, sometimes with wholesale ethnic cleansing. If our ancestors did that 5,000 and 50,000 years ago, it most certainly is not impossible for us.

I prefer to cut out the Eureurasians and keep the Kmtyw land. Since you want a bright future with them, I can understand how that isn't your favorite option.

You live in Kenya but you've resigned yourself to the notion that Kenya is a Eureurasian property whose Eureurasian owners can't be avoided? You're not only a defeatist, you're subservient and happy about it too.

Non-Kmtyws are universally committed to 'Racial Esteem' ideologies predicated on anti-Kmtywism. The actions non-Kmtyws take based on those ideologies are crimes. Crimes are committed by criminals. Hate is an entirely reasonable reaction to the enormity of their historical and ongoing crimes. Hate also plays a substantive operational function: when you hate someone, you're more likely to wish and do them harm. When it comes to prosecuting anti-Kmtyw racist criminals, ultimately the only effective prosecution is a martial prosecution, meaning armed conflict between Kmtyw and non-Kmtyw powers. If you are shy about harming your enemy, you are unlikely to defeat them in war. Hate helps win wars.

You are living in a fantasy you've created to rationalize-away anti-Kmtyw criminality in order to shield your psyche from the trauma caused by acknowledging it. I sympathize. Reviewing fundamental works like Williams's Destruction of Black Civilization, the writings and addresses of Marcus Garvey, and the writings, interviews, and addresses of Chinweizu Ibekwe may help reverse your head-in-the-ground impulse. But assuming you're an adult over the age of 25, I don't think elementary readings will do much good. Ultimately, the only thing that will rescue people like you from yourselves and keep you from harming the rest of the Kmtyw World is bringing you under the control of pro-Kmtyw men and women. The more I write with you here, the less time I have to do the work necessary to contribute to accomplishing that goal. So I won't respond much more to this conversation. Thanks for the discussion. Best of luck.

@Farafina diɲɛ This brother had a serious love for whiteness. Hope he's able to get help for that somewhere.

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