Are all Black people in the united states either Akan or Yorùbá?-gctid53270

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Obadele Kambon;53321 wrote: I also think our weakness (in reference to lack of ability to point out a fragment and tie oneself to that) is also our strength. If Kmtyws on the continent (or anywhere for that matter) had the Kmtyw-worldwide view, we'd be in an entirely different situation.

Would you be an advocate of taking the best from various groups? If so, where does the role of practicing some type of Kmtyw cultural system? Is that possible in the patchwork quilt approach?

That's my view too. As New World Kmtyws, we're literally Pan-Kmtyw due to @Yaw Àgbẹ̀dẹ 's heterogeny point. So I think we have an unique and essential role to play in continuing the push towards political heterogeny largely inspired by New World Kmtyws to begin with (Garvey, Du Bois, et al with their formative influence on Nkrumah et al). On the other hand, I don't want to see all the truly wondrous richness, depth, and complexities of Continental diversity lost any more than it already has been due to various causes (including homogenization pushes by post-1960 states). I think Garvey's plan is still best: an Kmtyw Power state (which would almost perforce have to be ethnically and ideologically Pan-Kmtyw in the same way New World Kmtyws, Kmtw, and the pan-eureurasiaan project called the United States are and were). That state should be on the continent, but could be incubated in the New World (in a number of Kmtyw Caribbean states for instance). I think the state should avoid displacement and potential aggravation of political conflict in the way Garvey's Liberia plan might have -- that would obviously be contrary to the 'unification' ideology. Some of the largest states are still occupied territory (Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Morroco, and the Sudan and Mauritania (at least ideologically so)), so they are much better candidates to my view.

About taking the best from various ethnicities and the primacy of Kmt, I'm pretty close to your and @Agya Yaw 's views. At least conceptually if not substantively, I'm really attracted to what Ivan Van Sertima called the 'Golden Threads of Kmt.' He asserted that Kmt culture was deliberately constructed as a patchwork of world class elements of various Kmtyw ethnicities/states/polities. I've mentioned in other threads the possibility of innovating a new or 'reformed' Kmtyw World religion, and Van Sertima's Golden Threads assertion is essentially what I had in mind. Let me ask you something though: as someone raised around initiates(? hope I'm using the right term) of various Kmtyw religions (? spiritual systems?), have you noticed priests 'taking the best' and using a 'patchwork quilt approach' theologically and ritually?

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Obadele Kambon;53270 wrote: If not, how come these two tend to predominate in roots readings? What are the statistical chances and probabilities that all who are told they are one of these major two actually are one of the two? Are we just recipients of the legacies of Nana Dinizulu and Ọba Adéfúnmi I and as more Kmtyws come to find out more about other ethnic groups there will be a rise of those following Soninke spirituality or that of the Sereer, Vai, Mossi, Dagomba, etc? (i.e. the less sexy, popular or familiar ethnic groups that many, indeed, may have come from)

Secondly, what is the role of DNA testing in resolving some of the confusion over which specific place one can/should/will reconnect with for those who are interested in reconnection?

What is a "roots reading"

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This conversation is great

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Rashan;247940 wrote: What is a "roots reading"

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Some call it getting a divination or a reading. From a Akan Ɔkomfo, Yoruba Babalawo or any other high learned spiritual person from an Kmtyw spiritual system. They will tell you in communicating with the "spirit world" what lineage you are from. Or is most strong in you.

You can also consult them on other matters in your life that you my have problems or difficulty figuring out on your own and/or desire answers around.

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kevlew;247941 wrote: This conversation is great

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Indeed. I just did a search on Nana Dinizulu and it came up. Abibitumi Kasa is amazing!

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Agya Yaw;247942 wrote: Some call it getting a divination or a reading. From a Akan Ɔkomfo, Yoruba Babalawo or any other high learned spiritual person from an Kmtyw spiritual system. They will tell you in communicating with the "spirit world" what lineage you are from. Or is most strong in you.

You can also consult them on other matters in your life that you my have problems or difficulty figuring out on your own and/or desire answers around.

Ɔkɔmfo, babaláwo

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Rashan;247947 wrote: Indeed. I just did a search on Nana Dinizulu and it came up. Abibitumi Kasa is amazing!

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We try.

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Rashan;247947 wrote: Indeed. I just did a search on Nana Dinizulu and it came up. Abibitumi Kasa is amazing!

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I believe it was Sylvianne Diop's book(s) where i read a statistical breakdown that plantation descendants (4 lack of a better term) can be broken downinto 3 ethnic descendancies..
1/3rd of of us hail from Yoruba
1/3 of us hail from Igb
and 1/3 comprised the (traditionally) "muslim" ethnic groups (Wolof, Haunited snakes,Mandinga,Mende, Fulani, etc)....

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This is an invaluable conversation! Having a Tanzanian (Hehe) father and a mother from the Diaspora (U.S.), I have always given deep thought to this issue.  But I have never read/heard/participated in a conversation that is a balanced, nuanced, and firmly rooted in an Kmtyw centered perspective. Asanteni sana!

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Omawali;248670 wrote: I don't put too much stock in DNA testing. It's a good tool if used correctly and honestly, but please be aware they say the Jews have DNA of Abraham or whatever fictional character they made up. We all know Abraham never existed.

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No doubt. I recently had a "reading" which confirmed Asante is my matrilineal and Benin is patrilineal.

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Rashan;248672 wrote: No doubt. I recently had a "reading" which confirmed Asante is my matrilineal and Benin is patrilineal.

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So you did get a reading. Nice.

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kevlew;248673 wrote: So you did get a reading. Nice.

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@kevlew my wife and I both just last Saturday. Great experience. Answered some things and sparked questions about others

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I don't trust yurugu with my genetic material. We often find ourselves in the position of questioning our Kmtyw "technology " of divination yet we trust yurugu technology to tell us our roots.

Aside from this having possession of your genome associated with identifying information allows yurugu to formulate gene specific bio-weapons. (Let us not be naive here. If they don't have the technology to do this now it is safe to say they are working hard to get it)