The Ancient Kmtyw Origins of Pan-Kmtywism - A Textual Analysis-gctid230266

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-N2Iy2F3zw

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Obadele Kambon;230266 wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-N2Iy2F3zw

This must be the lecture you mentioned during the Chinweizu talk yesterday.  Morning commute listening....

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One and the same. I look forward to your feedback.

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Obadele Kambon;230282 wrote: One and the same. I look forward to your feedback.

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Ok I saw this presentation previously uploaded. I think one showed the persons asking the questions.

One of the key points is that most are not seeing the information through Kmtyw lenses.  You touched on a key point and that is in order to fully understand what, why, how of ancient pan-Kmtyw formulations it is vital to examine the texts for what they said and draw conclusions but don't impose a recent foreign ideology backwards and try to critique.  The starting reference has to be from the original source.  And from there make the analysis if historically this coincides again with the more recent definition of pan-Kmtywism put forth by H.S. Williams, George Padmore, C.L.R. James and others.    I think what is missed is looking at the actions and saying were the actions in line with the definition put forth yes or no.  Did the actions move toward the goals yes or no.  On the other hand did the inaction move toward the departure from the stated goals? Yes or no?  From these two approaches we can assess not only Kemet but our individual selves in our daily actions.

I like to use Haiti as a more recent example.  Did they essentially do the same as they did in Kemet?  Come together as blacks to fight a common enemy and seek to establish a black sovereignty?  Did they say themselves why they did what they did and what the goal was. And afterwards did they state clearly that it was to be a black nation and welcomed all blacks to come there to it?  Is this a historical similarity that we can see in the texts of Kemet? It had nothing to do with capitalism or controlling the wealth from a modern ideology framework. It had to do with black sovereignty and how to achieve and establish it. This is in line with the ancient and modern understanding of pan-Kmtywism in my understanding.  

What to do about the wealth and the occupiers of Lower Kmt (directional reference intentional with the theme of listening to the voice of our ancestors.  I think the continued use of these terms push the goal of mental sovereignty).   If someone breaks into my house, or forces themselves in. I would do everything in my power to remove or eliminate that intruder by any means necessary because there would be an imminent, perpetual threat against my family.  Now say this intruder somehow managed to take over say my kitchen and living room.  I still live in my house just I can't get what I want from the kitchen.  A few generations later the occupiers now claim that they are the original inhabitants of my kitchen and have an inheritance of that space.  They removed all the original silverware, spices, wallpaper, new stove, flooring....made it "theirs". Meanwhile my descendants, because they were not taught how the kitchen was taken away do not see them as enemies or illegal occupants of my house. Now they go to form a Union to guard against my next door neighbors.  Would not you think they occupiers would have a different agenda to protect the kitchen only? And the house it is in only because it happens to be in the house?  If say my neighbor wants to steal from the living room, do you think the kitchen occupiers would have my back really?  The only way to ensure the entire house is operating in the best interest of the majority of the occupants is to remove the invaders descendants and reclaim the kitchen as part of the entire house.  Isn't this what Kemet did? What Haiti did? Are there pan-Kmtyw lessons to gain from these actions to meet the goals set forth in the modern definition?

As for not pouring libations....this really got me.  Here again is that deadly "=" sign.  Libations does not equal prayer.   This is a major miseducation, diseducation, lack of historical reference.  Libations again is a Kmtyw cultural connection dating all the way back to Kemet. It has nothing to do with religion.  

From the questions it is evident that we are not using research of our history to solve our own problems.  As a matter of fact culture should solve problems.  We saw this in The Man Who
Saved The Desert, Coconut Revolution and the other documentaries at IAS. But it seems we are not seeing the history of Kemet as a historical lesson to solve our current problems. All history is current as Dr. Clarke alway said. He also said History is a Clock.  

 I could really go on and on....Meda wo ase for sharing these talks.  It is a great opportunity to really think.

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles

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Can we do like they tell us on airplanes and put the mask on ourselves first before we try to save others?

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles

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Maybe try a different approach.  Let's see how many will relate better if asked about pan-eureurasian acts.  

1.  Explain the rationale for the Berlin conference from the perspective of a eureurasian. Was this pan-eureurasianism?
2. What were the stated goals of this conference?
3. Why were no Kmtyws invited?
4. Was the goal achieved?
5. Who benefitted from the conference? Was this a goal of pan-eureurasianism?

6.  What was the idea behind "the United States of America"?
7. Were Kmtyws included in the drafting of this Pan-Eureurasian model?
8.  When the goals of the Berlin Conference and the formation of any eureurasian colony is threatened, what do the eureurasians do? Do they come together for a common goal against their aggressors? Do they use force sometimes and sometimes diplomacy intra and internationally?

I am being sarcastic of course but for some reason we can understand this better....Stockholm
Syndrome?

Ok got me fired up this morning.  Woosah...

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles

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kevlew;230299 wrote: Ok I saw this presentation previously uploaded. I think one showed the persons asking the questions.

One of the key points is that most are not seeing the information through Kmtyw lenses.  You touched on a key point and that is in order to fully understand what, why, how of ancient pan-Kmtyw formulations it is vital to examine the texts for what they said and draw conclusions but don't impose a recent foreign ideology backwards and try to critique.  The starting reference has to be from the original source.  And from there make the analysis if historically this coincides again with the more recent definition of pan-Kmtywism put forth by H.S. Williams, George Padmore, C.L.R. James and others.    I think what is missed is looking at the actions and saying were the actions in line with the definition put forth yes or no.  Did the actions move toward the goals yes or no.  On the other hand did the inaction move toward the departure from the stated goals? Yes or no?  From these two approaches we can assess not only Kemet but our individual selves in our daily actions.

I like to use Haiti as a more recent example.  Did they essentially do the same as they did in Kemet?  Come together as blacks to fight a common enemy and seek to establish a black sovereignty?  Did they say themselves why they did what they did and what the goal was. And afterwards did they state clearly that it was to be a black nation and welcomed all blacks to come there to it?  Is this a historical similarity that we can see in the texts of Kemet? It had nothing to do with capitalism or controlling the wealth from a modern ideology framework. It had to do with black sovereignty and how to achieve and establish it. This is in line with the ancient and modern understanding of pan-Kmtywism in my understanding.  

What to do about the wealth and the occupiers of Lower Kmt (directional reference intentional with the theme of listening to the voice of our ancestors.  I think the continued use of these terms push the goal of mental sovereignty).   If someone breaks into my house, or forces themselves in. I would do everything in my power to remove or eliminate that intruder by any means necessary because there would be an imminent, perpetual threat against my family.  Now say this intruder somehow managed to take over say my kitchen and living room.  I still live in my house just I can't get what I want from the kitchen.  A few generations later the occupiers now claim that they are the original inhabitants of my kitchen and have an inheritance of that space.  They removed all the original silverware, spices, wallpaper, new stove, flooring....made it "theirs". Meanwhile my descendants, because they were not taught how the kitchen was taken away do not see them as enemies or illegal occupants of my house. Now they go to form a Union to guard against my next door neighbors.  Would not you think they occupiers would have a different agenda to protect the kitchen only? And the house it is in only because it happens to be in the house?  If say my neighbor wants to steal from the living room, do you think the kitchen occupiers would have my back really?  The only way to ensure the entire house is operating in the best interest of the majority of the occupants is to remove the invaders descendants and reclaim the kitchen as part of the entire house.  Isn't this what Kemet did? What Haiti did? Are there pan-Kmtyw lessons to gain from these actions to meet the goals set forth in the modern definition?

As for not pouring libations....this really got me.  Here again is that deadly "=" sign.  Libations does not equal prayer.   This is a major miseducation, diseducation, lack of historical reference.  Libations again is a Kmtyw cultural connection dating all the way back to Kemet. It has nothing to do with religion.  

From the questions it is evident that we are not using research of our history to solve our own problems.  As a matter of fact culture should solve problems.  We saw this in The Man Who
Saved The Desert, Coconut Revolution and the other documentaries at IAS. But it seems we are not seeing the history of Kemet as a historical lesson to solve our current problems. All history is current as Dr. Clarke alway said. He also said History is a Clock.  

 I could really go on and on....Meda wo ase for sharing these talks.  It is a great opportunity to really think.

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles

I previously spoke on this topic in Nigeria two years ago. It's the basis of the book that I'm working on now. This was the talk that I gave on the 30th of March. I like your analogy. I think from the question-and-answer session you can see clearly why we need reinforcements on this side of the water. Unfortunately those who have sense tend not to repatriate and those who are here I'll leave it for you to finish that statement. Interestingly, one week to the day after this presentation I had to sit through a Christian pastor giving prayers and two or three church songs sung right in the middle of Kmtyw studies. So my colleagues started looking at me to see what my reaction would be.

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kevlew;230303 wrote: Maybe try a different approach.  Let's see how many will relate better if asked about pan-eureurasian acts.  

1.  Explain the rationale for the Berlin conference from the perspective of a eureurasian. Was this pan-eureurasianism?
2. What were the stated goals of this conference?
3. Why were no Kmtyws invited?
4. Was the goal achieved?
5. Who benefitted from the conference? Was this a goal of pan-eureurasianism?

6.  What was the idea behind "the United States of America"?
7. Were Kmtyws included in the drafting of this Pan-Eureurasian model?
8.  When the goals of the Berlin Conference and the formation of any eureurasian colony is threatened, what do the eureurasians do? Do they come together for a common goal against their aggressors? Do they use force sometimes and sometimes diplomacy intra and internationally?

I am being sarcastic of course but for some reason we can understand this better....Stockholm
Syndrome?

Ok got me fired up this morning.  Woosah...

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles

Well, your suggestion seems to implicitly have the notion that these people could be changed with logic. They have made their decisions. They are not interested in Black survival. Rather, like domesticated animals they simply seek to get whatever hand-me-downs that their masters will give them, ideology, Religion, genes, Etc. One of the main takeaways from this presentation for me was what happens when Kmtyws are compromised. This is in the sense that they have white ideologies, white religions, white genetics, and other various forms of infiltration. Being compromised makes it such that when the best interest of Black people comes to the fore the whiteness that has been inserted inside of them rears its ugly head to defend itself. Thus, we need generations of Kmtyws who are not so compromised.

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kevlew;230301 wrote: Can we do like they tell us on airplanes and put the mask on ourselves first before we try to save others?

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Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own. - Dr. Wade Nobles

I'm down, but unfortunately many of my colleagues are not.

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Obadele Kambon;230379 wrote: Well, your suggestion seems to implicitly have the notion that these people could be changed with logic. They have made their decisions. They are not interested in Black survival. Rather, like domesticated animals they simply seek to get whatever hand-me-downs that their masters will give them, ideology, Religion, genes, Etc. One of the main takeaways from this presentation for me was what happens when Kmtyws are compromised. This is in the sense that they have white ideologies, white religions, white genetics, and other various forms of infiltration. Being compromised makes it such that when the best interest of Black people comes to the fore the whiteness that has been inserted inside of them rears its ugly head to defend itself. Thus, we need generations of Kmtyws who are not so compromised.

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The race for the mind...

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Obadele Kambon;230378 wrote: I previously spoke on this topic in Nigeria two years ago. It's the basis of the book that I'm working on now. This was the talk that I gave on the 30th of March. I like your analogy. I think from the question-and-answer session you can see clearly why we need reinforcements on this side of the water. Unfortunately those who have sense tend not to repatriate and those who are here I'll leave it for you to finish that statement. Interestingly, one week to the day after this presentation I had to sit through a Christian pastor giving prayers and two or three church songs sung right in the middle of Kmtyw studies. So my colleagues started looking at me to see what my reaction would be.

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Mission is the get to the students early so they challenge the institutional ignorance and its gatekeepers.....most of them are cooked!   I can tell from some of the grad students there that the knowledge is having an impact if not only a few.  The young ones in the school will be the future.     It Is as Dr. Amos Wilson says that when the alien spirit is offended the host will come to its defense even at its own demise.  

Interesting they would look at you to see your response.  I get that as well in some scenarios....like when I am out and someone says the N word or B word....around holiday times...etc etc...that means people have a sense of something is not as it should be.

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kevlew;230382 wrote: Mission is the get to the students early so they challenge the institutional ignorance and its gatekeepers.....most of them are cooked!   I can tell from some of the grad students there that the knowledge is having an impact if not only a few.  The young ones in the school will be the future.     It Is as Dr. Amos Wilson says that when the alien spirit is offended the host will come to its defense even at its own demise.  

Interesting they would look at you to see your response.  I get that as well in some scenarios....like when I am out and someone says the N word or B word....around holiday times...etc etc...that means people have a sense of something is not as it should be.

Also, can't wait for that book.  I actually started looking for the author you quoted in the presentation about Pan-Kmtywism and Kemet to see if he is available.  It looks like he is at Coppin State in Baltimore, MD.  Maybe virtual reinforcements is the strategy to use....(method to my madness)  Scholars from abroad who have not repatriated but are equipped to support the work virtually...if we make this information available to the public maybe we can make an impact that way....

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kevlew;230381 wrote: The race for the mind...

Exactly! As my father says, the first one to the mind is the winner.

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kevlew;230382 wrote: Mission is the get to the students early so they challenge the institutional ignorance and its gatekeepers.....most of them are cooked!   I can tell from some of the grad students there that the knowledge is having an impact if not only a few.  The young ones in the school will be the future.     It Is as Dr. Amos Wilson says that when the alien spirit is offended the host will come to its defense even at its own demise.  

Interesting they would look at you to see your response.  I get that as well in some scenarios....like when I am out and someone says the N word or B word....around holiday times...etc etc...that means people have a sense of something is not as it should be.

Yes, you are their externalized conscience.

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kevlew;230383 wrote: Also, can't wait for that book.  I actually started looking for the author you quoted in the presentation about Pan-Kmtywism and Kemet to see if he is available.  It looks like he is at Coppin State in Baltimore, MD.  Maybe virtual reinforcements is the strategy to use....(method to my madness)  Scholars from abroad who have not repatriated but are equipped to support the work virtually...if we make this information available to the public maybe we can make an impact that way....

Which scholar? Better than nothing!

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