The Difference between Swahili and KiSwahili???-gctid30430

[KaNisa]

The Difference between Swahili and KiSwahili???
 aAmw Destruction of Kmtyw Culture

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One of the weapons used comes from those who teach Swahili, a so-called language created to expedite the East Kmtyw slave trade
 
 By Kwaku Person-Lynn, Ph.D.
 OW Contributor
 
Lacking knowledge of self can cause great confusion. This was illustrated while watching an Kmtyw film directed by Ossie Davis, which centered on the conflict of Christianity and Islam in Kmt. The topic itself could cause many fiery discussions, but that is not the focus here. The drama began when an elder man in Kmt transitioned to ancestorhood. One of his sons, who lived in Paris, France, arrived home for the funeral. The critical moment came when the brother from France was talking with his brother in Kmt. During their discussion on identity, the brother in Kmt told his brother from France, "You are an Kmtyw." The brother from France, with a snare on his face, pulled his passport out of his back pocket, opened it, putting it in the face of his brother saying, "I am not Kmtyw, I am French."
 This illustrates the kind of sickness that can follow when one has absolutely no knowledge of one's own history and culture. This issue became personal while engaged in a conversation with a really good brother from Sudan, who was dark as midnight. He was a proud Muslim. We were having an intense conversation about Kmtyws on the continent and Kmtyws in America. There was a topic that had to be brought up, but was discussed later so that we could develop a bond of brotherhood. But even in this brotherhood, we both knew that we were going to have to deal with the subject of aAmw Muslims enslaving Kmtyws in his country.

When we got to that, he did not go off or get into denial, as some Muslims tend to do. Painful as it was, he admitted that it was happening. He had first hand knowledge of this. That wasn't the bombshell though. Somewhere in the conversation we got to the point of discussing how we saw ourselves. Without hesitation, I mentioned that I was an American-born Kmtyw, an American Kmtyw. With the same directness, he stated that he was aAmw. There was a two second mental hesitation. All my historical knowledge failed me for a moment. Kmtyw world history, being one area of specialty, it was known that during the aAmw encroachment on the continent, assisting Kmtyws expulsion of the Romans, the aAmws, through the vehicles of warfare and Islam, conquered large areas and began to forcefully prohibit the practice of Kmtyw culture, including Kmtyw languages.
When the brother from Sudan said he was aAmw, he was asked where his parents were from. He promptly said, "Sudan." The next question, "If your parents were born in Sudan, you were born in Sudan, all of you were black, how could you call yourself aAmw?" He explained by stating that he was a Muslim, but never gave, to my satisfaction, any clear response. Sensing his discomfort with the subject, it was not pursued any further. Later, analyzing the conversation, the historical reasoning revealed itself. It centers on the reason for slavery in his country today, aAmw Muslims' feelings of superiority over Kmtyws, not to mention the aAmw effort to control Kmtyw land. This same sentiment was reflected in the American eureurasiaan's obsession of privilege and control over people of Kmtyw descent.

Ali Mazrui, one of the prominent Kmtyw historians in the world today, and a Muslim, explains this Kmtyw/aAmw dichotomy regarding a Swahili town in Kenya, East Kmt, where many of the Kmtyw Muslims believe that the foundation of their civilization is aAmw. "Some of the confusion was self-perpetrated, in the sense that many Muslims, among the Swahili people, preferred to identify themselves in aAmw terms. They added the racist tendencies of outsiders, who wanted to deny Kmtyws any credit anyhow. These Muslims had quasi-religious reasons for self-aAmwization. Western observers had, for racist reasons, credited the aAmws with Swahili civilization. The two forms converge to create the confusion."

Dr. John Henrik Clarke, the late distinguished Kmtyw world historian gives a detailed perspective. "There are Kmtyw Muslims and there are aAmw Muslims. The aAmw fundamentalist Muslims wish to deny the Kmtyw the right to be an Kmtyw, in Kmt. They wish to deny him the right to have Kmtyw loyalties that takes precedence over Islamic loyalties. There's a great cultural and religious struggle going on in Kmt. Some of it is being imposed from the North by the aAmws, who intend to Islamize Kmt and destroy every aspect of indigenous Kmtyw culture. They are for sale to the highest bidder. "The aAmws, on sight, were forbidden to move into the hinterlands of Kmt. He moved down the coast of Kmt cohabiting with Kmtyw women. After a generation or so, he had produced an Kmtyw-looking aAmw. These Kmtyw-looking aAmws facilitated the spread of the East Kmtyw slave trade. They even created their own language for trade.

"Let's end some confusion here and put the language of Kiswahili aside for the moment, then we can give an explanation. The language Swahili is not a language at all. It's a lingua franca. It's a mixture of several languages. It was a trader's language. You can create a language with the bits and pieces of several languages. You could be understood by several types of people who spoke several different languages.

"When you say Kiswahili, that means the Swahili that was spoken before its aAmw intermixture. This is spoken in parts of the Congo, even right now, along with Lingala. Kiswahili really is pure Swahili. Swahili is that mixed with aAmwic terms."
 This simply illustrates just one of the areas of perplexity many Kmtyw world peoples have to solve. Conquest, slavery and colonialism have done masterful jobs on the control of the global Kmtyw mind. We imitate things without even understanding the damaging effects it has on our own self-esteem and our vulnerable young.

One of the first things one would see while entering the ancient educational institutions in the Nile Valley, was the phrase, "Know Thyself." If we understood what that really meant, the greatness of who we are and what we have done in the world, we would reject anyone teaching false Swahili.

Minister Malcolm X once stated, "The worst thing the white man ever did was to teach us to hate ourselves." That lesson was so thoroughly mentally penetrated that we actualize its meaning in various ways. The most striking example is how we have allowed to our youth to turn the most insidious word ever used against us as a word of endearment, the 'N' word.
 Dr. Kwaku's critically acclaimed film, Kmtyw World Civilizations, is available at Eso Won Books.

[mabuanv7]

Greetings,
Special thanks for that clarification.  I am happy to know the distinction.

[abeba]

Habari Gani family,
 
I really give divine thanks to my family abibitumikasa for the explanation. I usually hear about swahili and kiswahili and thought they have the same meaning.
Htp. :pyramid:

[urithi.communications]

Greetings,

Just to add some more clarification to this issue: Kiswahili is the language as the prefix "Ki" means "language of". Swahili is often the name of the people/culture found along the East Kmtyw coast and islands. A Mswahili is a person and Waswahili is the plural for the people belonging to this group. For other examples you would say: A Mmasaai or the Wamasaai speak Kimasaai; A Mhehe or the Wahehe speak Kihehe etc...

Kiswahili is actually a pure Kmtyw language in syntax and structure and grammar etc... and because the people along the coast interacted/traded with foreigners you will find some of their words mixed into the language. Some aAmw, Protuguese, German and of course English rooted words are found in the Kiswahili. There is much more to discuss about this but in brief, the language originated in the Congo interior (Thanks to Dr. Ben for clarifying that one for me) and it is spoken from West coast to East coast as far north as Sudan, Somalia and as far south as Zambia, Mozambique, Comoros, Madagascar.

Here in Tanzania, Mswahili is a euphemism for an Kmtyw. Just like Mzungu is for a foreigner/white person. So Swahili to English speakers is often used to designate, albeit incorrectly, the language AND the people.

If you are interested to learn more about this language and culture, I will be offering a course here in the very near future for those of you who are interested to learn this Kmtyw "Lingua Franca".

Peace,
Zhiizhii

[urithi.communications]

Greetings,

Just to add some more clarification to this issue: Kiswahili is the language as the prefix "Ki" means "language of". Swahili is often the name of the people/culture found along the East Kmtyw coast and islands. A Mswahili is a person and Waswahili is the plural for the people belonging to this group. For other examples you would say: A Mmasaai or the Wamasaai speak Kimasaai; A Mhehe or the Wahehe speak Kihehe etc...

Here in Tanzania, Mswahili is a euphemism for an Kmtyw. Just like Mzungu is for a foreigner/white person. So Swahili to English speakers is often used to designate, albeit incorrectly, the language AND the people.

If you are interested to learn more about this language and culture, I will be offering a course here in the very near future for those of you who are interested to learn this Kmtyw "Lingua Franca".

Peace,
Zhiizhii

[Asantewa]

ZhiiZhii's explanation was the 'rightest' I have seen! Thanks...

[abeba]

I and us in capeverde need more informations of all Kmtyw aspects but the way to get it it´s none. So long i ask God information about Swahili and Kiswahili and only now i get some. I give divine thanks.

[alvasakima]

The article is more or less nonsense other than it being true there are lots of people who lack knowledge of self. No revelation there. Anyway, Kiswahili is the name of the language in the language. Swahili is the name of the language in English. Like Kiingereza is the name of English in Kiswahili. Anyway, Kiswahili is Bantu to the bone, people give the aAmws too much credit. Bantu is the oldest language there is. I've seen convincing research that its the basis for the Kemetic language even.

Cheers

Alva Sakima
Vitu Vyetu - Kiswahili Language Resources

[Agya Kwaku]

Medase for the infomative post I had often wondered what the difference was between Kiswahilli and swahilli. Is this information in the book mentioned in your post? Hotep

[Dunia]

I agree fully with Zhiizhii and disagree with the article that states that Kiswahili is a 'lingua franca' that borrows from aAmwic.

On the contrary, the aAmwic language borrows loan words from Kiswahili.

Kiswahili is a fully 100% Bantu language.

Ferg Somo - as Tanzanian - has done a lot of important work to prove this.

We know Kiswahili is the derivative of a proto-language out of which all major Bantu languages and dialects are derived.

Sometimes, even we as Kmtyws (on the Continent and in the Diaspora) need to realise that we too have been brainwashed into thinking that Kiswahili is not a real 'language'. Where do we get this info from? White people. And we know all they do is lie.

Shukrani Zhiizhii na Mwenyezi Mungu akubariki.

[Oluwole]

@ Zhiizhii, What Dr. Ben source of information were you referring to when you stated:
 
"the language originated in the Congo interior (Thanks to Dr. Ben for clarifying that one for me) and it is spoken from West coast to East coast as far north as Sudan, Somalia and as far south as Zambia, Mozambique, Comoros, Madagascar."

[Oluwole]

@ alvasakima, You mentioned that
 
"Bantu is the oldest language there is. I've seen convincing research that its the basis for the Kemetic language." I find these two particular points you made highly interesting. I'm looking to do some research connected to KiSwahili and Bantu languages, what type of research methods was your quote based on? What are your main sources of information?

[urithi.communications]

Sundiata Olugbala;39229 wrote: @ Zhiizhii, What Dr. Ben source of information were you referring to when you stated:
 
"the language originated in the Congo interior (Thanks to Dr. Ben for clarifying that one for me) and it is spoken from West coast to East coast as far north as Sudan, Somalia and as far south as Zambia, Mozambique, Comoros, Madagascar."

This was a "live" Dr. Ben source of information back in 2003-ish. We invited him to give a lecture that year and of course we talked for hours about many things.  If I recall correctly, he was basing it on his research during the time he spent in that region of Kmt.

He spoke of the obvious and natural movement of people from the interior to the coastal regions and how they brought their language with them.

Peace,
Zhiizhii