Technology...A tool of liberation or an instrument of eureurasiaanness???-gctid34685

[Agbede]

Nana John Henrik Clarke told us that "everything that touches our lives must be a tool of liberation...or it must be discarded." What is your opinion, then on the usefulness of Kmtyw mathematical/scientific/technological systems in our liberation?

 In terms of our liberation (i.e. sovereignty & solvency or reclamation & retribution) is it better for us to become phD's in science/engineering/information technology or to become skilled tradespeople? Who is useful in terms of nation building, the one with the phD in hydrology, or the plumber? Are both useful? Is one more useful? Is "technology" a eureurasiaan thing that we should begin to wean ourselves off of?

So the question is, is mathematical/scientific/technological knowledge useful outside of its practical application? If so, in what ways? If not, in what way can technological knowledge be used as a tool of our liberation?

What does the Abibitumi Abusua think?

[pain]

We've always dealt with mathematics and technology so most definitely we should focus its use towards our liberation. We simply  have to "Kmtywize" these disciplines again, wherever necessary/ applicable, especially as it regards the harm that some technology causes to harmonious life forms on the planet and the to the planet itself.

[Agbede]

Meda ase for your reply.

So, it seems that we are back to this re-Kmtywization thing...hmmmm...I'm starting to see a pattern here.

[pain]

^^ I hope that's a good thing. lol

I've been in discussions where our people (and way back in the day, white folks as well, when I actually used to speak to them) try to say that we are hypocrites for being pro-Black and anti-white and yet use the "white man's technology". Or anything that they view as coming from the white man at all. They even take it back to slavery saying if it wasn't for our ancestors and ancestresses eating massa's food that we wouldn't be here today.

My reply has been:

If you attribute technology to yt, you've greatly limited your potential. If you say that this land belongs to him and the motto is to "give the devil" his due then you should either run and jump into the ocean to swim somewhere else or immediately die and dry up into nothingness.

I don't let these skewed, euro-contrived fallacies wrap, twist or bend me up in knots of compromise that are harmful to me. I recognize the lopsided, butt-backwards, topsy-turvy situation that I'm in and I summon the wisdom and cleverness of Ananse/ Esu to aide me in making the appropriate decisions.

I planted those crops on the plantation. I tended to them everyday. I played a critical part in its development. How can I turn around and then say that it belongs to massa?

What belongs to massa is the way that it came about i.e. Chattel slavery. Black people were never against the concept of agriculture/ farming. We just didn't practice chattel slavery as a way of growing food. Give THAT back to massa.

Cell phones, computers, automobiles? "Massa" would have NONE of this on his own. Never have these people ever shown to get anywhere near "advanced" on their own. Yet we have done it on our own several times. We have never been against communication or travel. We played a critical role in the creation and innovation of communications and travel technology. Technology is as much "ours" as anyone else. Give yt back the destructive way he has went about getting the raw materials for us to further these disciplines. Give yt back the wicked ways in which he utilizes some of this technology. Give yt back the overall carelessness in his thinking process whereby tecnology produces devastating effects upon plants, animals, land, sea, air etc. We don't have to have our people killing each other by the millions in order to get the cobalt or coltane or the rubber for the tires on the cars and such. We don't have to use planes to drop bombs on innocent people and we don't have to use oil, depleted uranium, nuclear technology etc.

When we work to get off of dependence upon destructive technology, we should keep this in mind because considering the fact that things like shelter, tables & chairs are technology, I'm thinking we may actually need technology for, among other things, the final solution to the problem of white world terror domination.

Am I way off or what?

[Agbede]

:clap:
Well said.

Its like someone plagiarizes an entire book and the book becomes really popular and the plagiarist makes a lot of money from it. Nothing that that plagiarist does from that point on is really valid (or should be considered acceptable to the plagiarized) because the original act of thievery still stands un-dealt with.

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

Good points all on this thread. Especially Nana Clarke's point about using everything that touches our lives for liberation. Pain's point about using technology to solve the problem and Akhu's point about a plagiarist.

It's always going to be a contradiction to have to buy "technology" from our enemy, thereby financing white world terror domination and supporting the continued oppression of Kmtyw people.

But at the same time, I look at it like this. If I've gotten a piece of "technology," say a gun made by a krakkka but I use it in my fight for liberation, say to take out the one who gave me the gun and the slavemaster of the plantation, the contradiction is lessened.

So, this goes back to Dr. Clarke's point about using everything for liberation and I think this should be the focus b/c we get nowhere but a paralysis of analysis to be like who made x, y or z thing (did an Kmtyw make it, did a krakkka make it, did an eurasian make it, is it ALL based on Kmtyw mathematics and technology) as opposed to being like whoever did it, I'll use it for liberation.

Obadele

[olmechasupreme]

greetings family,

i have not yet posted here, but i am always in awe and inspired by the work that the abibitumi kasa family is up to.

i would have to say that technolgy is ours. knowledge is ours. we can do with it what we will. we can use these tools to sail to greater and higher heights.

marcus garvey was not afraid of technolgy. he wanted us to have airships and our own fleet called the black star line. i believe we can take that into space. one of my other names and nommos (i hope im using this right!) i speak into being is blackstar space lines.

we too should have supra atmospheric space lifters. they will build space elevators in the middle of the Kmtyw desert with its stable equatorial land. i want to build these structures with our hands and our guildance to our benefit. the future is coming, the future is here.

there is no place to hide. and our spirits are comfortable there. and when and where they are not is as much a warning as walking down a dark alley, it is merely an insight and information to be used to better applying the same technology! (don't walk down that alley, cause you're gona get mugged!/ don't put that cell phone next to your head for too long cause your gonna get brain cancer~!)

our spirituality can guide our use of technology to the betterment of ourselves and our planet.

we can get george washington carver with binary and create resources like abibitumi kasa or living in black.

i am excited to see what the future holds!

hotep,
olmx:pyramid::sphinx::62_62::hello:

[hrw sbkra]

we have to stop giving white folk too much credit...

by this, i mean that whenever we discuss matters of technology, we always assume that they are the ones who have invented it, or at least that they are the forerunners in its production..
truth be told, what they call technology, these tv's and cellphones, cars and spaceships----this is all PRIMITIVE TECHNOLOGY, this is all trick science.

we have to remember that the highest level of euromerican science and culture is 33 degrees. we all should know that 33 degrees is but a small small fraction of 360 degrees. we all know that 360 degrees makes a complete circle, which means that a science that is based on an apex of 33 degrees of understanding can not be complete. and, we must also remember that 360 degrees is not the highest dimensional degree in existence..
our traditional sciences BEGIN at 360 degrees. our traditional sciences are complete sciences, acknowledging and utilizing the oneness of the spiritual and physical dimensions. a science based on 33 degrees, as we can see with the euromerican science tradition, can not elevate above the physical dimension; and, in fact, still can not even perceive all of the physical....
look at it like this..they went from wind powered ships to nuclear powered rocket ships within a span of 100-150 years. YET they still can not explain how the Pyramids of Kemet, some of the oldest structures on this planet, were built!! how can we consider their science advanced, then??

their science is much much closer to 'magic', as it is incomplete and full of sensory trickery based primarily in the physical plane. our science is true science, as it is complete! our science exists directly within the line of tradition that extends to the creation of humans, and thus to the creation of this earth, and thus to the creation of this solar system, and thus to the creation of this galaxy, and thus to the creation of ALL THINGS!!
let me repeat: our science exists directly within the line of tradition that extends back to the very creation of Creation; this means, also, that our science is linked to all of the 'natural' traditions of this planet and all planets, which makes our science equally natural and cosmic. this links our science tradition, and our people, to other beings and lifeforms of this earth and of other planets, galaxies, and other dimensions, as well.

if anyone has done truthful study of our traditional cultures, we would understand that what others call 'magic' and 'superstition' is actually Elevated Cosmic Science. this means that the Pyramids are cosmic machines, they are elevated technology...this means that Ifa is technology..that the various rituals and cultural practices (yes, the languages, architecture, fashion, etc..) of our people ARE ALL TECHNOLOGY!!

it is known and established within our traditions that we have had intergalactic communication and transportation for millennia before there were eureurasiaan people. our people have interacted and exchanged with beings from other planets and galaxies, as well as other dimensions, for thounited snakesnds and thounited snakesnds of years....it is also known that there have been methods of communication that allowed folk in east Kmt to communicate with folk in the south and west, and that allowed folk in the west to communicate with the Kmtyws in south and north america...it is known that with proper and complete knowledge and science, we can cross galaxies and dimensions, with and without our bodies.
for thounited snakesnds of years, we had elevated societies, rural and urban, that thrived without poverty or prisons; we created advanced technologies without destroying our planet and ourselves.

the question is not about technology being a tool of liberation or an instrument of eureurasiaanness..all animals, insects, and plants on this and all planets have and use technology!
as long as we allow euromerican culture to be the dominant way of OUR EDUCATION, we must continue to use their trick science and technology, we must continue to use the magic of their cell phones and computers...

however, the real work of liberation is to (re)create our own education institutions and curricula to be in line with the TRUTH of our cultural traditions! this is not to demean or disregard the culture of euromerica or any other nations, because when we know the truth of OUR cultural tradition we know also that all other cultures are derivations of Kmtyw culture; yes, by definition, all cultures and peoples on the earth are "Kmtyw"....rather, we must, as heirs to the creators of human culture, reinstate the truth and truthful culture on this planet.
when we, as global 'Kmtyw' peoples, as continental and diasporic black folk, return to our academic traditions and reinstate the dominance of complete science on this planet, we will then set a shining example for the rest of humanity to follow, thus saving humanity from self-destruction..

by the way, we have not descended to this point of oppression and subjugation from a lack of technology, nor from possessing weak and inadequate technology...
we've descended to this point upon the confusion of euromericans' physical magic and trickery, the shock and awe of their physical mehanisms of death and destruction...
our spiritual technologies are and have remained in tact. our traditional culture and knowledge has endured and remained strong..however, our Traditional Education System is what has been lost; we abandoned our education system---this is why we're in the present position of "accepted weakness", which, ironically, is an illusion as well...

**note: each time i say "science", this also means "art"... and both science/art, as a whole, are within "culture"; culture is the method of life and way of living of a being/lifeform. all matters of spirituality/religion, science/art, fall within "culture"..

peace family
love yall
--->k. ka sabaka.::.ryan t. frazier...
Khepera Creation Systems, Inc.

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

I'm glad that you started posting!

I can agree that we can't be afraid of technology. I think that the thing that we neglect to think about is how we finance white world terror domination by purchasing technology manufactured by our enemies the whites. We invent it true, but we definitely need to recognize that they are the main ones that manufacture and distribute it and that the money that we give to them to purchase goes DIRECTLY to building prisons and genocide in the Congo and general oppression of Kmtyws throughout the world. So I think we have to be selective about what we purchase until we are inventing AND manufacturing AND distributing AND retailing (and even then) as opposed to running out to get the latest shiny trash by our enemies. Then we must be judicious in what we do get in terms of how will this thing further our goals of Total Kmtyw Liberation. Like making sure Abibitumi Kasa is for Kmtyw liberation as opposed to say the latest gossip about some rapper or actor.

The future is most exciting indeed as we will have more Kmtyws with more ideas of how to use everything that touches their lives for Total Kmtyw Liberation!

Obadele

olmechasupreme;34713 wrote: greetings family,

i have not yet posted here, but i am always in awe and inspired by the work that the abibitumi kasa family is up to.

i would have to say that technolgy is ours. knowledge is ours. we can do with it what we will. we can use these tools to sail to greater and higher heights.

marcus garvey was not afraid of technolgy. he wanted us to have airships and our own fleet called the black star line. i believe we can take that into space. one of my other names and nommos (i hope im using this right!) i speak into being is blackstar space lines.

we too should have supra atmospheric space lifters. they will build space elevators in the middle of the Kmtyw desert with its stable equatorial land. i want to build these structures with our hands and our guildance to our benefit. the future is coming, the future is here.

there is no place to hide. and our spirits are comfortable there. and when and where they are not is as much a warning as walking down a dark alley, it is merely an insight and information to be used to better applying the same technology! (don't walk down that alley, cause you're gona get mugged!/ don't put that cell phone next to your head for too long cause your gonna get brain cancer~!)

our spirituality can guide our use of technology to the betterment of ourselves and our planet.

we can get george washington carver with binary and create resources like abibitumi kasa or living in black.

i am excited to see what the future holds!

hotep,
olmx:pyramid::sphinx::62_62::hello:

[kweku, afro olmec]

greetings oluko kwame,pain, olmec supreme,k.k sabaka, this is very interesting topic,we are talking occult sciences and metaphysics on higher level,which i like dat!
yes, every science came out of Kmt, withouta doubt,we have to say adupe for those who laid the foundation for us, doctot george g jackson on stolen legacy,  j a rogers, nana john henri clarke, chancellor willians,the work of our beloved yusef ben jochanan, interesting point that somebody brought it up, that cracka science is only 33 degrees and ours is 360 degrees, how do we go about doing dat when, sattelites control and send information to cell phones and they pick signals from the earth, of course sattelites are run by computers, from the NASA
they have a sattelite that is in space right now, it tracks and shows all the land mines in the world, gold,diamond,copper,cobalt,which is also linked to the NSC and MIS in amerikkka and uk.
i definetely agree that techonology can be used as tool of liberation,they invented the gun and the gun powder,we have used to liberate ourselves from them, is what i say to use the masters tool against the master.
as in term of occult sciences and metaphysics and high science, the rosetta stone is either in the museum of cairo or the british museum,the knights of templars   when they raided the tomb of king solomon,they took lot of pertinent  stuff that belong to us, when amerikkka bombed museum of mesopotamia, many scrolls about ancient civilizations were stolen and never recovered,how can we use GPS and remote sensing to out advantage, when they control all dat,GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEMS are also in cell phones, kkops cars and everything...
 my humble question brother is dat our technology is 360 degree are u refferering to the Kmtyw origins of free masonry, sacred geometry, it should be taught to every child, the way the pentagon is built is by sacred geometry,it is masonry, the whole of washington d,c is based on mansonry
 the concept of matrix  which are grids 2___________4 3___________6  is another concept that is taken from us, i know that they  dont want to give any credit to the Kmtyw scientist who came up with the super computer, philip emeaglwe,if i have spelled correctly oluko,
 the other thing i want to point out is too many households across north amerikkka has way too many micro waves, which is another destructive device that they have created and it was invented by the U.S ARMY,also hydro plants use nuclear energy to generate electricity,so the less we use or leave our lights on,the lesser those nuclear reactors will work, not that it will stop them.
 the word alchemistry simply means high science of the blackland,which mean AL KHAMISTRY, KHAM MEANING KEMET.i know that the pyramids were built a certain way to get and receive and trasmitt message from the cosmos and the galaxies,anyways,this is very interesting topic,assante sane, i look forward to more information and how can we make the  the full 360 degree turn. sattelites in turn pick signals on earth that are trasmitted from cell phones, thru gps,the instant you turn your cell phone, it tells the location where u are,unless we take the batterries, i was told even when we turn it off it still records where we are, i totally agree,we shouldnt be affraid of technology they use it for evil, we should use it for good and to liberate ourselves,our ancestors knew better, lot of knowledge and high science were encrypted with codes,pictures and drawings,and thats what exactly they are doing today every computer language is coded and encrypted.
mate masie:pyramid::sphinx: i see,i hear, u understand:soldierg::a7:

[Agbede]

Very good reply's thus far.

Yes, we must separate Kmtyw technology from euro tricknology and realize that they got their basis of knowledge from our ancient wisdom.

Yes, it is okay to use euro technology if it is directly related to our liberation (e.g. Abibitumikasa.com). But, we must be mindful of the extent that our use of their manufactured trinkets finances their white terror domination.

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Pain mentioned earlier that we must (re)Kmtywize technological concepts. And many of have mentioned high Kmtyw scientific knowledge, metaphysics and so forth.

At a Nana Clarke lecture on our glorious achievements throughout ourstory, someone asked the question (in an arrogant manner) "if we were all of that, why can't we build pyramids today?" Nana Clarke's reply was "do we need them today?"

So if we agree that technology can be used as a tool of liberation, in what ways can we use it for that purpose (keeping in mind that "technology" is not ,as many have mentioned, a euro creation nor a euro monopoly)? What do we need today?

I mentioned the example of plumbing earlier. We know that in the 18th dynasty of KMT there was indoor plumbing (toilets, and occasionally running water), a public drainage system, as well as a municipal water filtration system in place. So we know that plumbing is not euro technology.

With that said, to what extent should we then be emphasizing (and building) trade schools and technical education for our children rather than continually telling them to go to college where they get miseducated, indoctrinated, and disconnected from the community while they learn things that only allow them further entry (integration/infiltratration) into the eureurasiaan system? Would such skills (plumbing, masonry, carving, kwk) be consistent with our total liberation?

[hrw sbkra]

..again...
culture is all..
culture is the way of being, the method of existence, which entails all aspects of existence for all beings within existence.

when we have a truly culturally based education system, one based on our peoples' cultural traditions, then this education system will be wholistic and contain all that is necessary to continue and evolve existence.....and by this i DO NOT mean an "afrocentric" education, as "afrocentric" will always be a reaction to "eurocentric" education, and will always give reference and in many cases deference to the "eurocentric"....

our cultural record extends through the creation of humans, through the creation of this planet and galaxy, back to and through the creation of all things. the record of our cultural and intellectual (educational) legacy is such that all aspects of life and living are laid out and established..even with the backward changes and increases of destruction that euromerican 'culture' has brought about..
....our cultural and intellectual legacy is well over 100,000 years old. the euromerican derivative of our culture (which is human cosmic-culture) is 3000 years old, AT BEST and being very very generous...also, the euromerican derivative has death as the center, the basis, the reason and the goal.

we must always be careful when dealing with any and all of their cultural and academic productions.....we can not trust anything that their academics have produced. yes, some of it is accurate, and some of it may (might) even be of some use; however, this must always be measured to the high standard of scholarship, completeness, and truth of the cultural and academic productions of our elders and ancestors---again, which extends for millennia times millennia, thounited snakesnds upon thounited snakesnds upon tens of thounited snakesnds of years...
we must use our cultural and academic record as the basis and standard...
that old pseudo-debate of Booker T. Washington vs. WEB Dubois was never a debate..our cultural tradition is completely pragmatic, as Dr. Clarke said...this pragmatism, however, is upon a wholistic cosmic-view, which means that whatever is needed wholistically will be produced..

..i was going to continue for another half hour worth of writing..but i feel myself beginning to repeat myself.

what we need to do is not a question....
the real question is how will we do it?
the truth of what has been, what is, and what will be is not a mystery.
the mystery is in the method...

...but even this is not real mystery, as the method is actually creation...
the purpose of all of existence is to continue creation in the tradition of creation. although destruction is a part of the process of creation, the tradition of creation is the cosmic tradition of existence. the euromerican derivative of the human cultural tradition (the black cosmic tradition) has deevolved to be the tradition of destruction; even the parasites and virii and bacteria methods of destruction are within the cosmic tradition of creation. the euromerican deevolved cultural tradition of destruction IS NOT within the Cosmic Tradition of Creation.
everything that all beings within the Cosmic Tradition of Creation do, when done properly and truthfully in the Tradition, works to continue Creation with cosmic balance and rythmelodic harmony.

we must always remember that:
"a Creation creating is the highest state of being" --ryan t. frazier

peace fam.
love yall
--->ryan t. frazier.::.k. ka sabaka

[enyawix]

Technology is A tool of liberation. Only if we keep controll over what is going on. If we can not secure our systems they are useless to us. Windows is a spytool and should NEVER be useed on any of weapons or crucial commications systems. I feel we need a blacks conntrolled NEWS outlet. Other blacks can not help if they do not know what is going on.

[Cicely Yeboah]

I humbly submit that our children are our technology.  with that said, no matter what we have to give them the knowledge of our ancestors so they can pick up and take their run.  like a relay.  

remember that scene in crouching tiger hidden dragon- when chow yun fat tells yehuda something like you have had the manual for ten years and studied it but you still don't understand it...she was using the superficial moves based on the pictures and a rudimentary understanding but failed to break the code to unleash the true power of the technique in the manual.  so, they have the rosetta stone but they do not have the capacity to truly read it.  until we develop ourselves and our children(our technology) the true power of our ancestors remains largely dormant--and we are forced to use x-ray machines, cell-phones, computers and other primitive technology.  

One of the ways we can better develop our children/technology is thru the healing of ourselves and our relationships to start to bring forth seed that is whole and truly capable of the realization of their full potential as Kmtyws.  As long as we are eating backwards, having sex "backwards" and participating in other degrading eureurasiaan rituals we will be collectively dependent on the primitive technologies and our technology will remain underdeveloped.  (and quite honestly, the euro would not have even developed the primitive tech without our input--some of you may be able to name the names of the brothers and sisters who effectively created the world wide web and some of the satellite tech anyway) uncneccessary focus on all these issues is nothing more than a distraction.  

all this said and the potential is still there the future is here and "we are still the lions in this kingdom"

[Agbede]

This documentary on the so-called "Coconut Revolution" is an excellent example of Kmtyw technology as well as Kmtyws using others' technology for the purposes of their liberation.

WARNING:
Some euro/christian content. Parental discretion is advised.