What is the role of whites in Kmtyw Spiritual Systems-gctid25728

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

What is the role of whites in Kmtyw Spiritual Systems?

[pain]

Same as their role on the planet. They invade. They destroy and move elsewhere to do the same thing all over again.

[pain]

I didn't notice it was a poll. You got about 3 choices up there I could role with. Madafack, normally I would say that they have NO ROLE at all, because the only role I consider is the divine roll, of which they have none. However, I must have still been in the state of mind from another thread where it was pointed out that everyone and everything has a role whether good or bad. But anyway, yeah they function like cancer in the body. All other cells have a divine purpose. They have some type of function that they carry out. They all have these different "deities" (organs) that they serve for the purpose of maintaining the health of the body and in turn we are suppose to behave in a way that maintains their health and well-being as well. Cancer cells serve nothing but themselves. They don't give anything to any organ for the purpose of keeping the body healthy or alive. They simply take from every source imaginable within the body for their own benefit above all else and they take way more than can be accounted for by the size of their population.

Krakkas on the planet don't serve any function of the sort. They don't function in a way that maintains the health and well-being of the planet or the other harmonious life forms on the planet. They simply take from everyone and everything for their own benefit above the well-being of everyone and everything else.

SCENE FROM THE MOVIE APOCALYPTO:

And a man sat alone. Drenched deep in sadness. And all the animals drew near to him and said:

"We do not like to see you so sad. Ask us for whatever you wish and you shall have it."

The man said: "I want to have good sight."

The vulture replied: "You shall have mine."

The man said: "I want to be strong."

The jaguar said: "You shall be strong like me."

Then the man said: "I long to know the secrets of the earth."

The serpent replied: "I will show them to you."

And so it went with all the animals. And when the man had all the gifts that they could give, he left. Then the owl said to the other animals:

"Now the man knows much and is able to do many things.
Suddenly, I am afraid."

The deer said: "The man has all that he needs. Now his sadness will stop."

But the owl replied: "No.

I saw a hole in the man. Deep like a hunger he will never fill. It is what makes him sad and what makes him want. He will go on taking and taking until one day the world will say":

"I am no more and I have nothing left to give."

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

That's a nice story that I will put in my collection.

The poll is multiple choice.

Kwame

[olufemi_baina_ayo]

If anyone says that whites have a role in ancient Kmtyw systems or any systems of the motherland,they are the ones who responsible for the infestation of everything that rightfully belongs to us. Whites are only good for raping our sisters,plundering our beloved homeland,and the slaughter of our people. Our people are psychologically screwed up because of them,and because of those negros who believe in unity with the evil that is white people!

[smiley=sankofa.gif]

[Awotunde]

E pele o Kmtyws

Seems that there are many "initiated" Kmtyws, continental and New Kmtyw, who believe that they have a profound role to show us the way. Interesting

[maat_free]

i'm just over here shaking my head, awotunde.

but i ain't saying nothing.

lips sealed [smiley=lipsrsealed.gif] eyes peeled

[Awotunde]

Akua Maat, I know what you are NOT saying very well.

[maat_free]

i'm saying!

 

lol, sometimes the loudest sound is silence.

nah mean?

[kamau301]

Maa adwo sankofaman
I will just share a blurb from my book HOW TO MAKE A NEGRO CHRISTIAN.
Reverend Jones was asked what the benefits were to giving negroes christianity.
It connects to the question here in a few ways.
We will be more subordinate in both systems w/ caucasoids at the helm
We will be more docile & unquestioning to what's happening in the rest of the world w/regards to us Kmtyws w/ caucasoids running our spiritual systems because with their 'new age' spin on our systems, we are individuals seeking higher attainment, disconnected from our collective(disconnected just like caucasoids) & not really concerned about them.
Spirituality w/ caucasoids running it = rugged individualism w/ a pseudo-mystical slant-period.

www.lulu.com/kamau301
(kum oborifo nyinaa)

HOW TO MAKE A NEGRO CHRISTIAN
It is a matter of astonishment, that there should be any objection at all; for the duty of giving religious instruction to our Negroes, and the benefits flowing from it, should be obvious to all. The benefits, we conceive to be incalculably great, and [one] of them there will be greater subordination . . .amongst the Negroes.
page 52

[soulgyal]

I'm militant at heart. That should be stated, initially.    But I am also open to giving everyone I meet a fair chance to win my trust and acceptance. Very few white people in the religion do. It's rare that I even put myself OUT there to meet them or accept their greetings, but if I, by some chance, can't avoid it then I become very wary. However, the thing that I've noticed about ALL of them, be it ones who've written books, ones who speak on online forums, or ones that I've met, is that they usually destroy our ancient information to make themselves feel more comfortable being in their skin in our religion, as well as in order to make themselves feel more comfortable in the white-washed, energy-draining western society we (for the most part) live in.

Doesn't matter what it is, cause I've heard and read it all, including that Obatala was a white Orisha (because his/her colour of association is white), that the female Orisha (though I do not believe any orisha are male or female gendered as WE think of it) must have long hair and/or light skin in their depictions, because it's just not regal or royal enough if they're dark with short and/or natural hair, giving special (usually BS) reasons as to why everyone should listen to their opinions and respect and be in awe of them, etc. etc.

I swear, it doesn't matter what environment a white person is in, something in them is simply set on "DISRESPECT AND DESTROY," even if it is minute.

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

soulgyal wrote: I'm militant at heart. That should be stated, initially.    But I am also open to giving everyone I meet a fair chance to win my trust and acceptance. Very few white people in the religion do. It's rare that I even put myself OUT there to meet them or accept their greetings, but if I, by some chance, can't avoid it then I become very wary. However, the thing that I've noticed about ALL of them, be it ones who've written books, ones who speak on online forums, or ones that I've met, is that they usually destroy our ancient information to make themselves feel more comfortable being in their skin in our religion, as well as in order to make themselves feel more comfortable in the white-washed, energy-draining western society we (for the most part) live in.

Doesn't matter what it is, cause I've heard and read it all, including that Obatala was a white Orisha (because his/her colour of association is white), that the female Orisha (though I do not believe any orisha are male or female gendered as WE think of it) must have long hair and/or light skin in their depictions, because it's just not regal or royal enough if they're dark with short and/or natural hair, giving special (usually BS) reasons as to why everyone should listen to their opinions and respect and be in awe of them, etc. etc.

I swear, it doesn't matter what environment a white person is in, something in them is simply set on "DISRESPECT AND DESTROY," even if it is minute.

If òyìnbó are anything they are consistent. Ejò tí a mö léjò, bíbunij÷ l'à ñ retí - we expect biting of people from snakes.

Olùkô Æbádélé

[GoddessofLight]

Dealing strictly from a cultural perspective, they cannot have a role in Kmtyw spiritual systems. Many have stated the political reasons why, but let us first and formost deal with the cultural reasons why. We get the Orisa or the Obasom from our bloodlines. You cannot get it otherwise. The gods come through our ancestral lineage. If one is not decendent from that lineage...they will never truly possess the gods or their power. Oyinbos have their own spiritual lineages that they had prior to Judism and Christrianity. If they want to practice traditional spirituality, let them find and discover their own gods among the Druid, Celtic and Wiccan lineages. I have been to both Ghana and Nigeria more than once, and this is the hardest damn thing to convince some of the younger or greed infected priests of. That these eureurasiaan decendents should never be initiated or given shrines....but it seems, especially amoung my people in Nigeria, the Yorubas, the more money these Oyinbos throw at them, the more they sell, not caring or realizing the ultimate damage they are doing.


"The truth no matter how small and weak it looks in the beginning, always prevails in the end."--Odu Ifa

[pain]

GoddessofLight wrote: Dealing strictly from a cultural perspective, they cannot have a role in Kmtyw spiritual systems. Many have stated the political reasons why, but let us first and formost deal with the cultural reasons why. We get the Orisa or the Obasom from our bloodlines. You cannot get it otherwise. The gods come through our ancestral lineage. If one is not decendent from that lineage...they will never truly possess the gods or their power. Oyinbos have their own spiritual lineages that they had prior to Judism and Christrianity. If they want to practice traditional spirituality, let them find and discover their own gods among the Druid, Celtic and Wiccan lineages. I have been to both Ghana and Nigeria more than once, and this is the hardest damn thing to convince some of the younger or greed infected priests of. That these eureurasiaan decendents should never be initiated or given shrines....but it seems, especially amoung my people in Nigeria, the Yorubas, the more money these Oyinbos throw at them, the more they sell, not caring or realizing the ultimate damage they are doing.

"The truth no matter how small and weak it looks in the beginning, always prevails in the end."--Odu Ifa

I really wish we could get a once and for all final answer on this you know because I hear what you're saying about the blood lines from several people and it makes sense. Then I hear another group of Black folk and ofcourse the krakkas that are "practicing" our spiritual systems saying that what actually matters is that the person is "moral" and from there they get to talking about dumb stuff like how there's white elders in Kmtyw Spiritual Systems that are to be respected by black people and the Orisas don't see race and race doesn't matter and we need to get over that etc.,

Are there no verses or even firmly established oral laws as to who can practice Kmtyw Spiritual Systems and who can't or who can receive the Orisa and who can't and so on?

What about in Akan or any other Kmtyw spiritual system?

[Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé]

In Larteh (Dat¢ in Twi), Nana Nsia originally born in Ghana but now operating out of new york tried to bring a white "woman" to be initiated about two years ago. It created a huge tumult as the Abosom were consulted and the Abosom said that whites were given access to the knowledge once, never again. They gave a unanimous verdict that that white "woman" was not to be initiated and no others were to be initiated. The elders of Dat¢ then also came together and gave the same verdict that the white "woman" and no other whites were to have initiations.

I found this to be very encouraging and much more sensible than the track record of getting drunk off of the liquor of the whites and then giving them the things that they came to steal.

This is a law of the Abosom and Mpanimfo¡ as now passed down through oral traditions there in Dat¢.

¡kyeame Kwame